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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #141
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These finds should produce more than just a few things in thier digs. They should be able to find stuff everywhere.
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Svante Pääbo has tested more than 70 Neanderthal specimens. Preliminary DNA sequencing from a 38,000-year-old bone fragment of a femur found at Vindija Cave, Croatia, in 1980 showed Neanderthals and modern humans share about 99.5% of their DNA. From mtDNA analysis estimates, the two species shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. An article[60] appearing in the journal Nature has calculated the species diverged about 516,000 years ago, whereas fossil records show a time of about 400,000 years ago.[61] A 2007 study pushes the point of divergence back to around 800,000 years ago.[62]

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find me some evidence in god. i have more than proven the fact that humans have been around for 400,000 years. why would i believe something that is written in a book with no facts when there are tons of facts supporting the other side?
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how did i make your point? there were more dinosaurs than humans and they were larger in size.
Actually most were the size of cows and smaller only a few were real big. One thing about reptiles is that they will continue to grow.
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I need you to dig up your backyard and find me the abundent amout of remains that should be there IF the earth is as old as you claim.
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It makes sense to understand that random and chaos would not have order and structure that follows the laws of everything that knows where to go and how to get there.
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If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.
The amount of remnents in the ground should be everywhere.
buried? do you think when people were basically animals they preserved and buried their dead?
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buried? do you think when people were basically animals they preserved and buried their dead?
Humans are not animals.
You have a family member, would you (even if you were basically an animal) let wild animals carry away your kid if it died? No you would bury it to prevent that from happening.
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picture of the oldest human remains

where did this come from?

is it a conspiracy in the archeological community to disprove god?

i dont care if they have found one set of remains of one million it is still proof that humans existed 400,000 years ago.
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Think of the sand on the beach, could the sea push the sand into a sand castle or would a creator make the sand castle?
A box of watch parts, let it sit long enough and hope and have faith that over time it will put itself together, no it would take a watch maker to put it together and make it work perfectly.
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picture of the oldest human remains

where did this come from?

is it a conspiracy in the archeological community to disprove god?

i dont care if they have found one set of remains of one million it is still proof that humans existed 400,000 years ago.
After 400,000 years that would be dust just like your deer antlers over a few years.
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Humans are not animals.
You have a family member, would you (even if you were basically an animal) let wild animals carry away your kid if it died? No you would bury it to prevent that from happening.
Burials and Ceremony: Some evidence of intentional burial, perhaps some grave goods, but this is rare and controversial as yet. Some evidence that babies and infants were buried in shallow pits, and others in natural fissures as well as shallow excavated graves. Possible grave goods include bone fragments and stone tools, but these are again somewhat controversial.

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Ethiopia 195,000 BP Omo Kibish Formation The Omo remains found in 1967 near the Ethiopian Kibish Mountains, have been dated as ca. 195,000 years old, making them the earliest human remains ever found. They are older than the remains found at Herto Bouri, Ethiopia (155-160,000 BP). [1]
Morocco 90,000-190,000 BP Jebel Irhoud Anatomically modern human remains of uncertain date, 90-190,000 years old. [10]
United Arab Emirates 125,000 BP Jebel Faya Stone tools made by anatomically modern humans. [11]
South Africa 125,000 BP Klasies River Caves Remains found in the Klasies River Caves in the Eastern Cape province of South Africa show signs of human hunting. There is some debate as to whether these remains represent anatomically modern humans. [12][13]
Israel 100,000 BP Skhul/Qafzeh Discovered in 1929-1935; remains exhibit a mix of archaic and modern traits and may represent an early migration from Africa that died out by 80,000 years ago. [14]
Oman 75,000-125,000 BP Aybut Tools found in the Dhofar Governorate correspond with African objects from the so-called 'Nubian Complex', dating from 75-125,000 years ago. According to archaeologist Jeffrey I. Rose, human settlements spread east from Africa across the Arabian Peninsula. [2]
Democratic Republic of the Congo 90,000 BP Katanda, Upper Semliki River Semliki harpoon heads carved from bone. [15]
India 70,000 BP Jwalapuram, Andhra Pradesh Recent finds of stone tools in Jwalapuram before and after the Toba supereruption, may have been made by modern humans, but this is disputed. [3][16]
Philippines 67,000 BP Callao Cave Archaeologists, Dr. Armand Mijares with Dr. Phil Piper found bones in a cave near Peñablanca, Cagayan in 2010 have been dated as ca. 67,000 years old. It's the earliest human fossil ever found in Asia-Pacific [17]
Taiwan 50,000 BP Chihshan Rock Site Chipped stone tool similar to those of the Changpin culture on the east coast. [18]
Brazil 41,000-56,000 BP Pedra Furada Charcoal from the oldest layers yielded dates of 41,000-56,000 BP. [19]
Australia 48,000 BP Devil's Lair The oldest human skeletal remains are the 40,000-year-old Lake Mungo remains in New South Wales, but human ornaments discovered at Devil's Lair in Western Australia have been dated to 48,000 BP. Ochre fragments at Malakunanja II in Northern Territory are dated to ca. 45,000 BP. [20][21][22]
Japan 47,000 BP Lake Nojiri Genetic research indicates arrival of humans in Japan by 37,000 BP. Archeological remains at the Tategahana Paleolithic Site at Lake Nojiri have been dated as early as 47,000 BP. [3][23]
Laos 46,000 BP Annamite Mountains In 2009 an ancient skull was recovered from a cave in the Annamite Mountains in northern Laos which is at least 46,000 years old, making it the oldest modern human fossil found to date in Southeast Asia .[24]
Borneo 46,000 BP (see Malaysia)
Greece 45,000 BP Mount Parnassus Geneticist Bryan Sykes identifies 'Ursula' as the first of The Seven Daughters of Eve, and the carrier of the mitochondrial haplogroup U. This hypothetical woman moved between the mountain caves and the coast of Greece, and based on genetic research represent the first human settlement of Europe. [5]
Italy 43,000-45,000 BP Grotta del Cavallo, Apulia Two baby teeth discovered in Apulia in 1964 are the earliest modern human remains yet found in Europe. [4]
United Kingdom 41,500-44,200 BP Kents Cavern Human jaw fragment found in Torquay, Devon in 1927. [25]
Germany 42,000-43,000 BP Geißenklösterle, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Three Paleolithic flutes belonging to the early Aurignacian, which is associated with the assumed earliest presence of Homo sapiens in Europe (Cro-Magnon). It is the oldest example of prehistoric music. [26]
Tasmania 41,000 BP Jordan River Levee Optically stimulated luminescence results from the site suggest a date ca. 41,000 BP. [27]
China 39,000-42,000 BP Tianyuan Cave Bones found in a cave near Beijing in 1958 have been radiocarbon dated at between 39-42,000 years old. [28]
Malaysia 34,000-46,000 BP Niah Cave A human skull in Sarawak, Borneo, has been dated to ca. 34-46,000 years ago. (Archeologists have claimed a much earlier date for stone tools found in the Mansuli valley, near Lahad Datu in Sabah, but precise dating analysis has not yet been published.) [29][30]
New Guinea 40,000 BP Indonesian Side of New Guinea Archeological evidence shows that 40,000 years ago, some of the first farmers came to New Guinea from the South-East Asian Peninsula. [3]
Romania 37,800-42,000 BP Peştera cu Oase Bones dated as 38–42,000 years old are among the oldest human remains found in Europe. [31][32]
Sri Lanka 34,000 BP Fa Hien Cave The earliest remains of anatomically modern man, based on radiocarbon dating of charcoal, have been found in the Fa Hien Cave in western Sri Lanka. [33]
Canada 25,000-40,000 BP Bluefish Caves Human-worked mammoth bone flakes found at Bluefish Caves, Yukon, are much older than the stone tools and animal remains at Haida Gwaii in British Columbia (10-12,000 BP). [34][35]
Okinawa 32,000 BP Yamashita-cho cave, Naha city Bone artifacts and an ash seam dated to 32,000±1000 BP. [36]
France 32,000 BP Chauvet Cave The cave paintings in the Chauvet Cave in southern France have been called the earliest known cave art, though the dating is uncertain. [37]
Czech Republic 31,000 BP Mladeč Oldest human bones that clearly represent a human settlement in Europe. [38]
Poland 30,000 BP Obłazowa Cave A boomerang made from mammoth tusk.
Buka Island, New Guinea 28,000 BP Kilu cave Flaked stone, bone, and shell artifacts. [39]
Portugal 24,500 BP Abrigo do Lagar Velho Possible Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon hybrid, the Lapedo child. [40]
Sicily 20,000 BP San Teodoro cave Human cranium dated by gamma-ray spectrometry. [41]
United States 16,000 BP Meadowcroft Rockshelter Stone, bone, and wood artifacts and animal and plant remains found in Washington County, Pennsylvania indicate the earliest known human settlement in North America. [42]
Chile 14,800 BP Monte Verde Carbon dating of remains from this site represent the oldest known settlement in the Americas. [43]
Peru 14,000 BP Pikimachay Stone and bone artifacts found in a cave of the Ayacucho complex. [44]
Santa Rosa Island 13,000 BP Arlington Springs site Arlington Springs Man discovered in 1959. The four northern Channel Islands of California were once conjoined into one island, Santa Rosae
Cyprus 12,500 BP Aetokremnos Burned bones of megafauna. [45]
Colombia 12,400 BP El Abra Stone, bone and charcoal artifacts.
Norway 9,200 BC Aukra The oldest remnants of the so-called Fosna culture were found in Aukra in Møre og Romsdal, and date from this period. [46]
Argentina 9,000 BC Piedra Museo Spear heads and human fossils. [47]
Ireland 7,700 BC Mount Sandel Carbon dating of hazel nut shells reveals this place to have been inhabited for 9,700 years. [48][49]
Estonia 7,600 BC Pulli The Pulli settlement on the bank of the Pärnu River briefly pre-dates that at Kunda, which gave its name to the Kunda culture. [50]
Cambodia 7,000 BC Laang Spean Laang Spean cave in the Stung Sangker River valley, Battambang Province [51]
Tuvalu 6,000 BC Caves of Nanumanga Evidence of fire in a submerged cave last accessible 8000 BP. [52]
Zhokhov Island 5,900 BC Hunting tools and animal remains in the High Arctic. [53]
Malta 5,200 BC Għar Dalam Settlers from Sicily brought agriculture and impressed ware pottery. [54]
Trinidad 5,000 BC Banwari Trace Stone and bone artifacts mark the oldest archaeological site in the Caribbean. [55]
Puerto Rico 4,000 BC Angostura site Carbon dating of burial site. [56]
Mariana Islands 3,000 BC Carbon dating of charcoal. [57]
Greenland 2,000 BC Saqqaq Saqqaq culture was the first of several waves of settlement from northern Canada and from Scandinavia. [58]
Baffin Island, Canada 2,000 BC Pond Inlet In 1969, Pre-Dorset remains were discovered, with seal bones radiocarbon dated to 2035 BC [59]
Wrangel Island 1,400 BC Chertov Ovrag Sea-mammal hunting tools. [60]
Tonga 1,180 BC Pea village on Tongatapu Radiocarbon dating of a shell found at the site dates the occupation at 3180±100 BP. [61]
Fiji 1,095 BC Bourewa Radiocarbon dating of a shell midden at Bourewa on Viti Levu Island shows earliest inhabitation at 1220-970 BC. [62]
Canary Islands 1,000 BC Genetic studies show relation to Moroccan Berbers, but precise date uncertain. [63]
Vanuatu 1,000 BC Teouma etc. Lapita pottery found at Teouma cemetery on Efate and on several other islands. [64]
Samoa 1,000 BC Mulifanua Lapita site found at Mulifanua Ferry Berth Site by New Zealand scientists in the 1970s. [65]
Hawaii 290 AD Ka Lae Early settlement from the Marquesas Islands. [66]
Madagascar 500 AD The population of Madagascar seems to have derived in equal measures from Borneo and East Africa. [67]
Faroe Islands 600 AD Agricultural remains from three locations were analysed and dated to as early as the sixth century A.D. [68]
Iceland 874 AD Reykjavík Ingólfr Arnarson, the first known Norse settler, built his homestead in Reykjavík this year, though Norse or Hiberno-Scottish monks might have arrived up to two hundred years earlier. [8]
Huahine, French Polynesia 960 AD Fa'ahia Bird bones dated to 1140±90 BP. [69]
Raiatea, French Polynesia 1000 AD Taputapuatea marae Stone religious structures established by 1000 AD.
Pitcairn Island 1050 AD Settled by Polynesians in the 11th century, later abandoned. Resettled by British and Polynesians 1790.
Easter Island 1200 AD Anakena Settled by voyagers from the Marquesas Islands, possibly as early as 300 AD. [70]
New Zealand 1250–1300 AD Wairau Bar Though some researchers suggest settlements as early as 50–150 AD, that later went extinct, it is generally accepted that the islands were permanently settled by Eastern Polynesians (the ancestors of the Māori) who arrived about 1250–1300 AD. [71][72]
Norfolk Island 1300 AD Emily Bay Settled by Polynesians, later abandoned. Resettled by British 1788. [73][74]
Auckland Islands 1300 AD Sandy Bay, Enderby Island Settled by Polynesians, later abandoned. Resettled from the Chatham Islands in 1842, later abandoned. [74]
Madeira 1420 AD Settlers from Portugal.
Azores 1439 AD Santa Maria Island Settlers from Portugal led by Gonçalo Velho Cabral. [75]
Cape Verde 1462 AD Cidade Velha Settlers from Portugal. [76]
São Tomé and Príncipe 1485 AD São Tomé Portuguese settlement in 1485 failed but was followed in 1493 by a successful settlement led by Álvaro Caminha. [77]
Saint Helena 1516 AD Settled by Fernão Lopes (soldier). Later populated by escaped slaves from Mozambique and Java, then by English in 1659.
Chatham Islands 1550 AD Moriori settlers from New Zealand. This was the last wave of Polynesian migrations. [78]
Bermuda 1609 AD Settled by English survivors of the Sea Venture shipwreck, led by George Somers.
Svalbard 1619 AD Smeerenburg Settled by Dutch and Danish whalers. [79]
Mauritius 1638 AD Vieux Grand Port First settled by Dutch under Cornelius Gooyer. [80]
Falkland Islands 1764 AD Puerto Soledad Settled by French during the expedition of Louis Antoine de Bougainville. [81]
Tristan da Cunha 1810 AD First settled by Jonathan Lambert and two other men. [82]
Ascension Island 1815 AD Settled as a British military garrison.
Lord Howe Island 1834 AD Blinky Beach Whaling supply station. [74]
Kerguelen Islands 1950 AD Port-aux-Français Occasional sojourns and shipwrecks in the 19th century, continuously inhabited since 1950.



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come on aber you are really starting to grasp at straws when presented with facts. find 1 FACT that proves that god exists besides a book that is written by man. find one FACT that disproves the stuff that i have posted tonight.

if you were not brought up ever hearing about god and were presented with the FACTS that both sides have what would you believe?
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come on aber you are really starting to grasp at straws when presented with facts. find 1 FACT that proves that god exists besides a book that is written by man. find one FACT that disproves the stuff that i have posted tonight.

if you were not brought up ever hearing about god and were presented with the FACTS that both sides have what would you believe?
Aber requires so much Kool Aid, he doesn't even add water anymore because it takes too much time before he can ingest it.

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Raised strict mormon (nope no extra wifes, cant even deal with the one I got)
Now Jack Mormon,, dont practice anymore, believe in god, has got to be one, 4 heart attacks, quad bypass, and still alive and even working
No solid proof of god, as in havent met the guy or girl, but when it comes to knocking on deaths door, you sure hope there is something other than living on this little dirt ball
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The bible says heaven is in the clouds and people believed it until we attained flight and could see the top of the clouds, just one example of the man made story disproved.
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so it is believeable that god has just always been there and nothing created him but it is unbelievable that all life on earth has evolved from a single cell organism? evolution has been proven scientifically. humans and animals evolve to survive in the enviroment that they live in. it is a fact, there is no question about it.
Macro Evolution is theory. It can roughly be proven but, as Aber mentioned, there should be ample examples of Transitional Fossils. You've given great examples of fossils that represent a human that are 'old' but you haven't given any proof, and there isn't much that has been found, that shows a BirdDog or a CatBear. We don't see fossil records that prove that a Species changed from one to another. Which, if you want to believe in Macro Evolution, you have to have.


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i need to find artifacts? im pretty sure i just posted a bunch of archeological finds.
How many of those finds are with in that last 200 years? More world population = more archeoligists = better chances of finding fossils. But, the issue at hand hand is that they still don't find those transitional fossils.

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hahahaha really? it is fake because there isnt tons of finds that are hundreds of thousands of years old? mother nature takes everything that is man made back eventually. there are over 1 million whitetail in michigan. we will say 25% of those are bucks. that is 250,000 bucks that shed their antlers every year. that is 500,000 antlers a year. after only 10 years that is 5,000,000 antlers laying in the woods. how many do you find every time you walk through the woods?
So, how do those 400,000 year old bones survive? That is how you proved Aber's post. We shouldn't find bones that old, but, according to Carbon dating, we do. Doesn't that seem a bit off to you?

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picture of the oldest human remains

where did this come from?

is it a conspiracy in the archeological community to disprove god?

i dont care if they have found one set of remains of one million it is still proof that humans existed 400,000 years ago.
Your assumption relies on carbon dating, which is debated to be accurate or not, even among secular scientists, and sedimentary layers. Sedimentary layers, as we are told in Elementary school, signify the passing of time. However, you could also get those sedimentary layers from a cataclysmic event were the whole earth was flooded. Lots of water = lots of Sediment = lots of pressure on that sediment. They find these streaks of vertical sediment in the side of a rock formation that 'should' represent hundreds, if not thousands, of years. This would indicate that something is not right with our idea of a slow build up of sediment over thousands of years.

I also find it very Ironic that what I found Ironic in my previous post is playing it's self out very clearly right now. Nobody, Christian or not, can prove what happened to start our existence. Unless we build a time machine and go back in time. We've further polarized the issue in thinking you can't be a Believer in the creator scenario and still accept science. Which is absolutely false. In fact, the early scientists tried to explain how the world functioned to further understand how God works.

Well, I have to go ride my bike before I go to work (1 hour of intense spinning should be enough to get my mind off this). Let the condescending 'you're are an ignorant fool' posts continue.
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The bible says heaven is in the clouds and people believed it until we attained flight and could see the top of the clouds, just one example of the man made story disproved.
Is doesn't say clouds. It's says heavens. Commonly, in many cultures, meaning the place the god(s) lived. Not disproved.

I also find it very funny that you live in Hell and posted this. .
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Think of the sand on the beach, could the sea push the sand into a sand castle or would a creator make the sand castle?
A box of watch parts, let it sit long enough and hope and have faith that over time it will put itself together, no it would take a watch maker to put it together and make it work perfectly.
Wonderful analogy. Doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

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