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Old March 14th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #121
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I agree with you here. You cannot have something from nothing, I think both religious and non-religious types would agree with that idea.

So if someone believed a chain of natural reactions occurred (the big bang, or whatever), how did those first pieces of the puzzle get there to start things off? Using that same idea, if there was a creator who made everything, how did he get there, where did he come from?
You can look at the universe and everything in it and see order and structure and everything following the laws of physics.
If you look at the universe through the eyes of random and chance you do not have order and structure.
There has to be something or someone who created this structure and order the way we see it.
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From what I have read and heard that God has always been.
I used to always think the same thing wonder where did God come from and I could not come up with a good answer even for myself.
He operates outside the laws of everything we know that should be. If we could figure God out then we would not need Him.
so it is believeable that god has just always been there and nothing created him but it is unbelievable that all life on earth has evolved from a single cell organism? evolution has been proven scientifically. humans and animals evolve to survive in the enviroment that they live in. it is a fact, there is no question about it.
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so it is believeable that god has just always been there and nothing created him but it is unbelievable that all life on earth has evolved from a single cell organism? evolution has been proven scientifically. humans and animals evolve to survive in the enviroment that they live in. it is a fact, there is no question about it.
Where are all the transitional fossils? IF and thats a huge if your senario is true there should be evidence of it. There should also be remains of man eg. the tools, utensils, bowls, jars everyday items that people use. Civilizations would be built on top of themselves as we do now. The ground would be full of artifacts even in your own backyard. If man has been around for millions of years you should be able to dig anywhere and find evidence.
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the oldest human remains ever found are 195,000 years old

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human teeth that are 400,00 years old
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hand axes found in kenya from 300,00 years ago
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want me to keep searching?
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You can look at the universe and everything in it and see order and structure and everything following the laws of physics.
If you look at the universe through the eyes of random and chance you do not have order and structure.
There has to be something or someone who created this structure and order the way we see it.
And you KNOW this how?
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I need you to dig up your backyard and find me the abundent amout of remains that should be there IF the earth is as old as you claim.
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want me to keep searching?
No, I want you to start digging
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I need you to dig up your backyard and find me the abundent amout of remains that should be there IF the earth is as old as you claim.
i need to find artifacts? im pretty sure i just posted a bunch of archeological finds.
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And you KNOW this how?
It makes sense to understand that random and chaos would not have order and structure that follows the laws of everything that knows where to go and how to get there.
Something as simple as the chicken egg, the shell, the membrane, the white and the yolk and the 6 hours of air for the chick to breath until it can break itself free from the egg.
Human conception, its a miracle in itself. It has order and structure. Imagine what we would look like if random and chaos had a part in the structure of the human gnome.
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i need to find artifacts? im pretty sure i just posted a bunch of archeological finds.
These finds should produce more than just a few things in thier digs. They should be able to find stuff everywhere.
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It makes sense to understand that random and chaos would not have order and structure that follows the laws of everything that knows where to go and how to get there.
Something as simple as the chicken egg, the shell, the membrane, the white and the yolk and the 6 hours of air for the chick to breath until it can break itself free from the egg.
Human conception, its a miracle in itself. It has order and structure. Imagine what we would look like if random and chaos had a part in the structure of the human gnome.
what we would look like? the only reason we think we look good is because we all look similar. we had larger brains than animals so we were able to evolve into something that doesnt need "animal" characteristics. thumbs didnt hurt either the healthier and better built humans live and the rest die. survival of the fittest.
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These finds should produce more than just a few things in thier digs. They should be able to find stuff everywhere.
hahahaha really? it is fake because there isnt tons of finds that are hundreds of thousands of years old? mother nature takes everything that is man made back eventually. there are over 1 million whitetail in michigan. we will say 25% of those are bucks. that is 250,000 bucks that shed their antlers every year. that is 500,000 antlers a year. after only 10 years that is 5,000,000 antlers laying in the woods. how many do you find every time you walk through the woods?
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I don't see us as people evolving into better or stronger of fitter humans. I see us as being created into something special. The eye for instance is probably the most advanced thing that has ever been studied and not duplicated.
Did you know that in the womb the eye needs to meet with a million receptors and find the other million receptors and every one of them needs to find its match in order for the eye to see.
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hahahaha really? it is fake because there isnt tons of finds that are hundreds of thousands of years old? mother nature takes everything that is man made back eventually. there are over 1 million whitetail in michigan. we will say 25% of those are bucks. that is 250,000 bucks that shed their antlers every year. that is 500,000 antlers a year. after only 10 years that is 5,000,000 antlers laying in the woods. how many do you find every time you walk through the woods?
And when they find dinosaur bones dating back 500 miilon years and the are still entact with marrow in them.
Why are those not turned to dust?
By the way you made my point. Thanks
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These finds should produce more than just a few things in thier digs. They should be able to find stuff everywhere.
The world population grew from 1 billion to 7 billion from 1800 to 2011.

in 211 years the population went up 7x. think about how much the population has grown in a half million years. with advances in medicine people are able to live longer and reproduce more.

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During the early 1600s in England, life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because two-thirds of all children died before the age of four.[25] The average life expectancy in Colonial America was under 25 years in the Virginia colony,[26] and in New England about 40% of children failed to reach adulthood.[27] During the Industrial Revolution, the life expectancy of children increased tically.[28] The percentage of children born in London who died before the age of five decreased from 74.5% in 1730-1749 to 31.8% in 1810-1829.[29][30]

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And when they find dinosaur bones dating back 500 miilon years and the are still entact with marrow in them.
Why are those not turned to dust?
By the way you made my point. Thanks
how did i make your point? there were more dinosaurs than humans and they were larger in size.
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If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.
The amount of remnents in the ground should be everywhere.
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