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Old March 14th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #101
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Ok. Atheism IS a thought process.

(Nope.)

It's a process of logic, deductive reasoning, and critical thinking.

(That is a better description of science.)


I respect and admire all of that but for me, I don't think atheism has all the answers. I can align myself more with the atheist point of veiw more than most other religious logic. Before you get your godless panties bunched up, I am not refering to atheism as a religion, only the thought processed used by religions.

You're reading way more into atheism than there is. An atheist doesn't believe in god. That's it.

We may need to agree to disagree since you're not really getting it.


People have many reasons to not believe in god, some for pretty reasonable reasons, some for really off the wall reasons. Both sets of people are atheists because they don't believe in god, however since one group doesn't us logic or deductive reasoning, would you disagree that they are atheists?

Basically, what I'm saying, is that atheist is simply a label to describe someone who doesn't believe in god. Many atheists are champions of science and employ skepticism, but it isn't a requirement of the label.

Since it is merely a label and not a philosophy, there is no atheist "point of view" espousing that atheism has all the answers. Atheism in itself has no answers, it is merely the lack of a belief in a god.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #102
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Nobody I know believes that trolls or ghosts were the creators of the world and control who gets in to the afterlife. Telling someone that believes that god created the universe that you do not believe in god is making a major statement about your belief of the purpose of our very existence.



Threw out all of recorded human history most cultures have had some creation myth that involved some supernatural being. to say that you do not believe in any of them certainly involves a different thought process.

So? Many people like to think there is a god and it is a popular belief, which is probably why there is a label for people who don't believe in god and there isn't one for people who don't believe in trolls. However, my lack of belief in both of those things is not due to an atheist thought process, but a scientific process and examining of evidence.

Speaking for myself only, I would say my thought process would be slightly different than your average believer in that I not only reject every other cultures creation myth, but my own cultures as well. Its not that much different than the Christian who rejects every other world religion, but the one he/she was raised/indoctrinated into. I simply use the same logic that others use to not believe in Islam, Buddhism, or anything else and apply it to Christianity.
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So with the No god senario, how did we get everything we have? There was a begining, something or Someone had to have created it. Nothing does not just happen.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #104
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So with the No god senario, how did we get everything we have? There was a begining, something or Someone had to have created it. Nothing does not just happen.
I don't know, but then again neither do you, so I suppose we're on even footing.
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It doesn't matter to me what people believe. It does matter to me that people will debate, argue, justify, and kill over a spiritual belief. As I have done, I will distance myself from such organizations intentionally because it is all I can do.
I'm content with those that find comfort and peace with your beliefs. So long as those people are genuinely good.

It doesn't bother me not knowing why we are here or where we came from. It bothers me that we are here and still killing each other over greed and laziness.
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It doesn't matter to me what people believe. It does matter to me that people will debate, argue, justify, and kill over a spiritual belief. As I have done, I will distance myself from such organizations intentionally because it is all I can do.
I'm content with those that find comfort and peace with your beliefs. So long as those people are genuinely good.

It doesn't bother me not knowing why we are here or where we came from. It bothers me that we are here and still killing each other over greed and laziness.
So... we need not be lazy or greedy, right
I'm good with that.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 09:06 AM   #107
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So... we need not be lazy or greedy, right
I'm good with that.
We need to be more gooder
Productivity, charity, compassion, love, and learning off the top of my head.

But nooooooooo.....lets watch reality shows and post condescending remarks and pee on people.
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So with the No god senario, how did we get everything we have? There was a begining, something or Someone had to have created it. Nothing does not just happen.
Making stories up is not a valid explanation. We do not have explanations for everything as humans, but that doesn't meant things need to be substituted in there just to have an explanation. Humans in general have a hard time accepting that there is no explanation for things. We desire explanations and reasoning, even when they don't exist we seem to need them for us to accept things that happen.

It was only but a few centuries ago you were considered a heretic if you believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy, and that the world was round.

What we can't explain now, we may never explain. Throughout history, we have come to understand our world more and more which has slowly replaced religious explanations for our world. Thinking that only religion can answer these questions and that it will never change is foolish.
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Making stories up is not a valid explanation. We do not have explanations for everything as humans, but that doesn't meant things need to be substituted in there just to have an explanation. Humans in general have a hard time accepting that there is no explanation for things. We desire explanations and reasoning, even when they don't exist we seem to need them for us to accept things that happen.

It was only but a few centuries ago you were considered a heretic if you believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy, and that the world was round.

What we can't explain now, we may never explain. Throughout history, we have come to understand our world more and more which has slowly replaced religious explanations for our world. Thinking that only religion can answer these questions and that it will never change is foolish.
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Making stories up is not a valid explanation. We do not have explanations for everything as humans, but that doesn't meant things need to be substituted in there just to have an explanation. Humans in general have a hard time accepting that there is no explanation for things. We desire explanations and reasoning, even when they don't exist we seem to need them for us to accept things that happen.

It was only but a few centuries ago you were considered a heretic if you believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy, and that the world was round.

What we can't explain now, we may never explain. Throughout history, we have come to understand our world more and more which has slowly replaced religious explanations for our world. Thinking that only religion can answer these questions and that it will never change is foolish.
Religion cannot answer those questions, religion has been developed and created by man. It is a relationship with Christ that can give you revelation into His creation. There are scientists that believe in evolution and more and more are seeing that creationism is there and worth looking into.
I have read some stuff from a guy who was a evolution scientist turned to evolution and he has some very interesting and convincing points.
Creation world view dot org.
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I attended a private Lutheran school from pre-school up to the 7th grade. I was involved in the youth group program throughout highschool. I however, do not consider myself Lutheran and do not agree with some of there logic. I still consider myself Christain. I seperated myself from the Lutheran church when they refused to marry the wife and I becaue we lived together. They had no problem taking our $$ and welcoming us to worship.
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So with the No god senario, how did we get everything we have? There was a begining, something or Someone had to have created it. Nothing does not just happen.
So where did God come from?
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I seperated myself from the Lutheran church when they refused to marry the wife and I becaue we lived together. They had no problem taking our $$ and welcoming us to worship.


My wife's pastor had similar reservations. He did eventually say he would marry us, but he wasn't excited about it. I told him, that's ok...and found a guy on craigslist.
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So with the No god senario, how did we get everything we have? There was a begining, something or Someone had to have created it. Nothing does not just happen.
I agree with you here. You cannot have something from nothing, I think both religious and non-religious types would agree with that idea.

So if someone believed a chain of natural reactions occurred (the big bang, or whatever), how did those first pieces of the puzzle get there to start things off? Using that same idea, if there was a creator who made everything, how did he get there, where did he come from?
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So where did God come from?
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Making stories up is not a valid explanation. We do not have explanations for everything as humans, but that doesn't meant things need to be substituted in there just to have an explanation. Humans in general have a hard time accepting that there is no explanation for things. We desire explanations and reasoning, even when they don't exist we seem to need them for us to accept things that happen.

It was only but a few centuries ago you were considered a heretic if you believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy, and that the world was round.

What we can't explain now, we may never explain. Throughout history, we have come to understand our world more and more which has slowly replaced religious explanations for our world. Thinking that only religion can answer these questions and that it will never change is foolish.
I think very few xtians would think that anymore. I think you'll also find that is possibly the reason it has lasted so long is because of that. The core to the gospel is in the faith of the person. It can change. unless you can disprove he gospel with science it won't be going anywhere.

Personally, I think science does an amazing job showing how intricate God made creation.

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I agree with you here. You cannot have something from nothing, I think both religious and non-religious types would agree with that idea.

So if someone believed a chain of natural reactions occurred (the big bang, or whatever), how did those first pieces of the puzzle get there to start things off? Using that same idea, if there was a creator who made everything, how did he get there, where did he come from?

I think it comes down to having faith in something. There has to be something eternal. I find itkind of ironic that some that believe in the scientific route think it is ignorant to believe in the God route.

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quoted so this question doesnt get forgotten about.
From what I have read and heard that God has always been.
I used to always think the same thing wonder where did God come from and I could not come up with a good answer even for myself.
He operates outside the laws of everything we know that should be. If we could figure God out then we would not need Him.
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