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Old March 12th, 2013, 06:38 AM   #1
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I have a good buddy that sells amsoil and is always telling me this stuff is the best oil ever. I put the OE amsoil in my taurus, and run the dominator in the 2 strokes. It has been fine oil for me, but I have talked to some people in the industry and they claim that this oil is an overmarketed scam. They were saying that most of the amsoils dont meet the OE certifications for oil. I havent looked into these claims but im curious if anyone on here has looked into this or not? Any time I ask my buddy any kind of technical information on this oil all I get is some BS answer with no supportings facts or data....which is making me leary of using it anymore.
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2 kinds people speak highly of amsoil.

1. The guys selling it.
2. The guys who paid a lot of money for Amsoil and some stickers.
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I've never really trusted products that are sold through a dealer only setup, especially if the dealer network is a bunch of guys working ouyof their garage or basement
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2 kinds people speak highly of amsoil.

1. The guys selling it.
2. The guys who paid a lot of money for Amsoil and some stickers.
I tend to agree with this. Seems that marketing and hype can do a lot for products. Flowmaster is a great example of that.
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I've run it off and on for years without any real opinion gathered. However, I know a guy with a fleet of service trucks who has run it for years and swears by the results on his fleet. But, that may boil down to someone who is good at maintaining his fleet and nothing to do with the specific oil used.
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I use the two-strroke Amsoil in my chainsaws, because it has no smoke or smell. I did accidentally straight-gas a saw, after running it many hours on Amsoil, and it ran a long time before making squeaky noises. No idea if the Amsoil had a role in that.
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2 kinds people speak highly of amsoil.

1. The guys selling it.
2. The guys who paid a lot of money for Amsoil and some stickers.
^ This.

I will say I will not run Amsoil based on all that I've read and my own personal oil sample analysis'. I pulled samples out of several different diesel pick-ups. I'm no chemical engineer, but I compared Ams to Rotella T, T6, and Chevron Delo LE and was very disappointed in it. Amsoil is way overpriced and its quality doesn't even compare to much more affordable, straight dino oil like Delo LE.
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I've run it off and on for years without any real opinion gathered. However, I know a guy with a fleet of service trucks who has run it for years and swears by the results on his fleet. But, that may boil down to someone who is good at maintaining his fleet and nothing to do with the specific oil used.
amazing what consistent maintenance does.
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Its funny you should bring this up, I was just wondering about Amsoil this week. Here is the underside of a customers 4.0 valve cover off a 01 Grand Cherokee that swears by and will only run Amsoil....the picture actually makes it look better than it was.

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Hmmm I used Amsoil in my diesel for the first time last oil change. Maybe I should consider Rotella?
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Hmmm I used Amsoil in my diesel for the first time last oil change. Maybe I should consider Rotella?
Rotella.

I run rotella or delvac in my 12 valve, whatever is cheaper. Then I put a quart of Lucas oil stabilizer in it.
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Its funny you should bring this up, I was just wondering about Amsoil this week. Here is the underside of a customers 4.0 valve cover off a 01 Grand Cherokee that swears by and will only run Amsoil....the picture actually makes it look better than it was.

Every one of those I've ever pulled looks like that
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I hate the way they market and sell it. And I hate that they refuse to submit samples for testing and certifications on some of their products. For instance, they state that their trans fluid is good for Allison, but won't submit it for TES-295 testing to use data to back up their claims. Maybe because they know it won't pass the tests? And I really hate all the reps that tell everybody that nothing else even compares to Amsoil.

That being said, I've been using their stuff in some applications for almost 20 years and have had good luck with it. For instance, their Interceptor 2-stroke oil absolutely cured the problems with the exhaust valves sticking on my F7. As long as you buy into their preferred membership program, the pricing on a lot of their stuff (not all of it) is on par with other synthetics.

Hard to really tell how good their shit is, since they only data you can find on its performance is typically what they publish themselves (obviously very biased). Again, I REALLY hate that they purposely exempt themselves from many of the certification tests.
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Its funny you should bring this up, I was just wondering about Amsoil this week. Here is the underside of a customers 4.0 valve cover off a 01 Grand Cherokee that swears by and will only run Amsoil....the picture actually makes it look better than it was.

I'm not saying anything one way or another for or against Amsoil. But I do want to say that there is almost more to the story when you see a picture like that. How many miles were on it when he started to use Amsoil? What were his change intervals?

For instance, did somebody else change the oil once every two years for 10 years / 200K miles, then your buddy buy it and start using Amsoil?

If he bought that car new, started with Amsoil, and changed it every 5K and it looked like that, than that really sucks!
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^ This.

I will say I will not run Amsoil based on all that I've read and my own personal oil sample analysis'. I pulled samples out of several different diesel pick-ups. I'm no chemical engineer, but I compared Ams to Rotella T, T6, and Chevron Delo LE and was very disappointed in it. Amsoil is way overpriced and its quality doesn't even compare to much more affordable, straight dino oil like Delo LE.
I had my local Amsoil rep tell me he had a guy with a Duramax that is up to 80,000 miles on his diesel oil. He keeps getting the oil analyzed and as long as the lab says its good, he changes the filter and keeps running it. WOW! This was on a DPF engine too, where fuel dilution is a big problem. Poor engine!

I run Rotella T6 in mine. Awesome stuff, and only $20/gallon. I do my analysis testing too, and its always good. Last change / sample was at 12,000 miles, most of which were hard towing and it still looked great. The Mobil 1 TDT was not so good.
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Question for those of you who think it's a scam....do you think all synthetic in general is just a scam or just Amsoil?
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I quit using oil a few years ago. I have been running strait kitten blood, and I will never go back to oil again.
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Question for those of you who think it's a scam....do you think all synthetic in general is just a scam or just Amsoil?
I am skeptical of synthetic oil, but even more skeptical of amsoil.

I do believe that a synthetic will allow you to go go longer between changes, but I am not under the impression that synthetic will protect better than a regular oil which is also changed at proper intervals.

I don't believe you see very many oil induced failures of engines that are properly maintained. Which leads me to the conclusion that either oil will sufficiently protect your engine if you maintain it like the manufacturer recommends that you do.

I primarily use old school oil, and have always had good luck in doing so. However, my cars are starting to get newer, and are starting to require it from the manufacturer.
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I quit using oil a few years ago. I have been running strait kitten blood, and I will never go back to oil again.
How do you strap the cats down? Do you go for a bloodletting technique, or do you go straight for the kill?

You might be able to yield more blood with a bloodletting technique, kind of like milking. The humane society doesn't catch on with trying to adopt a bunch of kittehs at once.
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I am skeptical of synthetic oil, but even more skeptical of amsoil.

I do believe that a synthetic will allow you to go go longer between changes, but I am not under the impression that synthetic will protect better than a regular oil which is also changed at proper intervals.

I don't believe you see very many oil induced failures of engines that are properly maintained. Which leads me to the conclusion that either oil will sufficiently protect your engine if you maintain it like the manufacturer recommends that you do.

I primarily use old school oil, and have always had good luck in doing so. However, my cars are starting to get newer, and are starting to require it from the manufacturer.
That's pretty much where I'm at. I do run Amsoil, I got a preferred membership for free so cost-wise it was actually a little cheaper than some of the other synthetics (Mobil 1, Royal Purple, etc.). I'm currently on 12k intervals, but around 5-6k I'm going to send in a sample for analysis. I do hate all of the marketing bullshit I get from them for being a preferred member, mainly I hate their stupid monthly magazine. Cost wise I think I'd be about even if I was going with 5k changes on dino oil.
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