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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:18 AM   #21
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was not fired.

could not clearly see the bottle on the tape, just motions of unscrewing the cap and arm movement. Could not prove the bag was his, even though his clothes were there, dead cell phone was there and I plugged it in and got the phone number from the memory,
STILL wouldnt touch him.

got a few choices, go above everyones head and stir the pot or just say fukc it and start to bring in my own bottle, as long as noone can prove its mine what can they do. bunch of stupid fucks. I tried to explain Liability to them but got no whrere. o well, llive and let live, i did my part.

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was not fired.

could not clearly see the bottle on the tape, just motions of unscrewing the cap and arm movement. Could not prove the bag was his, even though his clothes were there, dead cell phone was there and I plugged it in and got the phone number from the memory,
STILL wouldnt touch him.

got a few choices, go above everyones head and stir the pot or just say fukc it and start to bring in my own bottle, as long as noone can prove its mine what can they do. bunch of stupid fucks. I tried to explain Liability to them but got no whrere. o well, llive and let live, i did my part.
Did you search his bag without him knowing? I would have a serious problem with an employer or anyone going through my personal property without me present. If you had cause to search he should have been there.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #23
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Just be glad you aren't union. They'd fight for the drunk, and make them go to rehab, and keep their job. And guess who'd be paying for the rehab...
Well it looks like it is not just the unions that fight for there workers. To bad you have to blame them when management at non union shops are just as bad.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:51 AM   #24
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anything in the business is subject to a search, thats in the handbook. Someone was looking for an item and had to move this bag in order to get to the back, now whether someone knew the vodka was there before hand and made an excuse to go back there and move his bag, IDK, but anything in the business is subject to a search if need be.

THis guy has a problem and is a liability to himself, the business and the coworkers. But i have stepped back and let the chips fall where they may, i said my peace to them that they were making a mistake and it will come to bite them in the ass later, when he falls and sues because they knew he was drinking and didnt stop him, or a minor finds his stuff and gets killed in a car wreck or any # of possibilities.
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Dont you work in the restarant biz? Im not saying its right or that I agree with drinking on the job but damn near all the line cooks or chefs I know drink a few beers on the job expecally near the end of the night, most with their bosses and managers. Same reason a few of them dont have a licence anymore because they drank on the job and got pulled over on their way home and got a DUI. Now sneaking liquor into work is a diffrent story but shouldnt be anything a talk shouldnt take care of if he cares about his job, at this point it sounds like you know he is, but cant prove it forsure.
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Found a vodka bottle at work, looked at the tape and was disappointed to see my main reliable person at night was taking nips and pouring into his soda/pop.

So today I get to fire him.
what a shit way to start out the week. but it can only get better from here...more hours for me..fml




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I guess I don't see how it went from this "my main reliable person" to trying real hard to get him fired. There may be more to the story but from what I see here maybe just a warning would be all that's needed. If he is so reliable why would you be so eager to can him for something you can't prove ? Granted he shouldn't be drinking on the job but maybe there were some extenuating circumstances that caused him to do so that night. Sounds to me like he's not a total drunk if he's your main reliable person.
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anything in the business is subject to a search, thats in the handbook. Someone was looking for an item and had to move this bag in order to get to the back, now whether someone knew the vodka was there before hand and made an excuse to go back there and move his bag, IDK, but anything in the business is subject to a search if need be.

THis guy has a problem and is a liability to himself, the business and the coworkers. But i have stepped back and let the chips fall where they may, i said my peace to them that they were making a mistake and it will come to bite them in the ass later, when he falls and sues because they knew he was drinking and didnt stop him, or a minor finds his stuff and gets killed in a car wreck or any # of possibilities.
what industry? does the drunk operate machinery or equipment?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #30
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Granted he shouldn't be drinking on the job but maybe there were some extenuating circumstances that caused him to do so that night.
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Well being a drunk is one excuse or maybe he had a rough day
I really don't care if people drink as long as they don't smell like booze and it doesn't impact their performance.
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10 years ago i did drywall for a few years. we had "lunch" at what ever bar was closest to the job at the time every day. i tried, but there was no way i was able to keep up with my boss. (the owner) that focker could put em down and he still to this day does the best drywall work i've ever seen. drunk or not.
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Like I said I don't condone his drinking on the job if he in fact was, but maybe he or someone in his family got some really bad news of some kind . Personal loss comes to mind . I mean the OP said himself "my main reliable person" doesn't really sound like the guy has a problem but some guys and gals for that matter can drink booze like water and not show any signs of being inebriated and actually do very good work under the influence. Again not condoning the act I just find it funny it went from his best guy to can him so quickly.
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My wife's uncle mows slopes on the freeways around Detroit with a tractor and a batwing mower. He has two buds and a joint on the way to work then drives a company service truck to the job. So far he's knocked down countless signs, flipped a tractor, and slid off the slope hit a gravel trailer and took the front of the tractor off. He's been doing this job since 2001.
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The company has the right to search your personal belongings while you are on their property?
Wow. I'm glad I'm self employed.
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Found a vodka bottle at work, looked at the tape and was disappointed to see my main reliable person at night was taking nips and pouring into his soda/pop.

So today I get to fire him.
what a shit way to start out the week. but it can only get better from here...more hours for me..fml




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The company has the right to search your personal belongings while you are on their property?
Wow. I'm glad I'm self employed.
The company can search whatever they want to on their own property. I had written time records I was keeping at a company I used to work for since they were screwing with the hours I was working and not wanting to pay me for them. My Ex-Boss and his wife went through my desk one night and decided I didn't need them any more. Nothing I could do about it other than find a new job, which I did.
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he said it wasnt his, though evidence pointed to the contrary, he said someone planted it there without his knowledge. I explained the word Liability and told the powers that be that it was a mistake to keep him around and went back to work.
a sign went up explaining that all legal drugs need to be approved by management so they know what is in the building...i am waiting for the first person with a marijuana card to step forward.
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Believe it or not, while I've been at work in a few of the old school, built in the 1900s firehouses in Baltimore, around 10pm to this day, I still see the bottles start being brought out from time to time. You don't say anything if you halfway understand the meaning of "brotherhood". As long as it isn't the driver of the fire engine, putting the public at risk, the guys got each others back so fiercly, that people look the other way more often than not.

There used to be a blank button on some of the pop machines in the city. Yea, that was for the Natty Boh (local macrobrew......mediocre at best)

Some of these guys were/are excellent fireman at hard-as-nails houses too. Fire houses that saw A LOT of action, A LOT of fire, A LOT of shootings and you wouldn't believe some of the stuff that went on behind the closed doors. There still in some of those houses, are imprints on the lacquered finish of some of the wooden kitchen tables from the 6'' stiletto heels of some of the "after hours female visitors" earning a couple extra dollars from the boys.

Everyone still smokes pretty much anywhere in the firehouse besides the bunkrooms.

And you know what? It works. Unbelievably.

Even if a guy is loaded up, and he happens to get injured on the job, whether because he was drunk or not....the bonds and respect for the guys on the job from the hospital workers, nurses etc is crazy. There have been a few times where I've seen people try to be hung out to dry, or insurance not pay up and mysteriously, the blood alcohol report disappears.

Not saying I am defending it or not defending it, but it just amazes me. The respect the public has here still for their firefighters. You don't see it much in society to this level anymore. Countless times we have whiskey, vodka, beer etc delivered to the firehouse on behalf of someones house we save, or pet we pull out of their house, just to thank us.

The public knows we are the redheaded stepchild of city services that get shafted more often than not. We are severely underpaid, and understaffed. A lot of guys work more at the fire station than they are home. And on their days off they have to work a second job in many cases to make ends meet. This leaves little time for any sort of chilling out.

Ive been told up and down about all of the worst case scenarios that this could cause, but honestly, unless youve been there, in someone elses shoes, you have no room to talk.

Worst case scenario:
Gong gets rung at 330 AM. Structure Fire with fire blowing out the second floor windows. The guy I'm humpin hose into this house with to fight the fire smells like booze. Room starts to light off and ceiling collapses on me. Hoseline burns through or has no water. I'm buried. It's hot. Real hot. Boozed up guy goes to work through thick and thin when a lot of lesser guys would have turned back and gets me out of the shit.

If he does his job and it doesnt affect him, I could give 2 fucks what some Human Resources danny do gooder says who's never been in that guys shoes. Hell sometime I think about how it impairs yur pain receptors and can understand why some guys at the busy houses might get a little tweaked up before a good hot shitter.....it just might help you to be able to stand the heat and the smoke and the burning in your nose and watery eyes and running nose and the embers that seem to always make their way down your coat collar.
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