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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #1
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I'm sure most of you have heard this story, about he 'nurse' at an assisted living faciltily that refused to do CPR because it was against company policy. Check this out..

http://news.yahoo.com/family-woman-d...013800673.html

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the elderly woman's family said she would not have wanted life-prolonging aid.
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Bayless' family said she was aware that Glenwood Gardens did not offer trained medical staff, yet opted to live there anyway.
"We understand that the 911 tape of this event has caused concern, but our family knows that mom had full knowledge of the limitations of Glenwood Gardens and is at peace," the family's statement said.
This is what blows me away. You just don't see this in today's society.

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The family said it would not sue or try to profit from the death, and called it "a lesson we can all learn from." "We regret that this private and most personal time has been escalated by the media," the statement said.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 06:15 AM   #2
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I'm guessing you've never been to many nursing homes . . . "no resuscitation" is pretty common with very poor health elderly patients.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 06:30 AM   #3
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i was shocked when i heard the tape the first time,equaly shock after reading the quotes
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Fuck them

The company prohibits its employees from rendering basic aid (CPR). That is a travesty in this day of AED's and "NO LIPLOCK" CPR.

While you applaud them for not suing, I want to burn that place down for the policy that would have someone trained in the simplest of life saving maneuvers stand down and watch another human being die. (DNR excepted)

What if all she needed was her airway adjusted?
I hope the 911 caller gets charged with manslaughter.

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i feel for the 911 operator pleading for someone to do the human thing, really dislike the helpless feeling.
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Commone sense tells us to help people in need. When rules and regulations override common sense that is when we're screwed.
The mother could have had a huge bank account, those places are not cheep to live in and the daughter saw this as a way to not pay for assited living and inherit what was left. The daughter sounded pretty cold for just having your mother die.
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Fuck them

The company prohibits its employees from rendering basic aid (CPR). That is a travesty in this day of AED's and "NO LIPLOCK" CPR.

While you applaud them for not suing, I want to burn that place down for the policy that would have someone trained in the simplest of life saving maneuvers stand down and watch another human being die. (DNR excepted)

What if all she needed was her airway adjusted?
I hope the 911 caller gets charged with manslaughter.

"Education is knowing the rules, experience is knowing when to break them."
the family knew before hand nothing would be done in a situation like this, maybe it is there way of having a DNR, although I wonder why they bother to call 911 when something does happen.

I really don't know enough of the situation to judge... but I agree about applauding the family for not sueing.
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i'm guessing you've never been to many nursing homes . . . "no resuscitation" is pretty common with very poor health elderly patients.
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So the caller performs CPR.


1) I think CA has a good samaritan law but does that fully protect that person? Does that protect civil lawsuits or just criminal charges? Does that law apply to a worker in that facility?
2) It's against company policy so she would get fired.

I can see why the lady did not perform CPR. The family/woman knew exactly what they were getting when they went there.
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It's pretty obvious who here has never had anyone in an assisted living facility.
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From what I saw, there was no DNR in place.

This issue is being clouded. It is not about a skilled facility not providing services.
This is about an employer who mandates their employees NOT assist their clients in any way, during a life threatening event.
If that would have been a twenty something healthy adult with a simple airway obstruction, the reprobate of a dreg 911 caller would have let them die, to save their fucking job.

I can be a good soldier, put on my game face and follow orders with the best of them, but there is no excuse to stand there with your hands in your pocket and watch someone die.

On edit: I guees we really could get death panels in america.
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I just put my mother in an assisted living facility. It is not a nursing home, and no medical services are provided.

They do not provide CPR (a medical service). I understand this fully; her level of understanding varies with her dementia. She likewise has a Living Will with a DNR.

I would not expect anyone to attempt CPR if it was necessary. I also understand the facility would call 911 if something occurred, and the staff is aware of the DNR and has a copy on file. Their process would be to contact 911 and myself - I would remind them of the DNR and would do likewise with the 911 responders.

Working with the elderly and terminally ill is a different situation. The family obviously understands that, and the media is attempting to boost ratings by sensationalizing a 911 call presented out of context - like they did with Rodney King.
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There is liablity both ways. If some does CPR wrong and causes harm doing so they also can be sued. A friend that works the DOC said they can get sued either way.
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There is liablity both ways. If some does CPR wrong and causes harm doing so they also can be sued. A friend that works the DOC said they can get sued either way.
A little thing known as the good samaritan law prevent that. As long as you do as taught. No redneck engineering needed.

Example if I am working as an EMT, I can be sued like you say. But, if I'm off duty and aid someone, I can't.
If I have CPR training and working as a clerk and someone drops, I can aid them, and it is covered under the Good Samaritan law.

Don't get me wrong. My lips do not touch dead lips, but you can adjust an airway, do compressions, and walk away when the cavalry arrives. But if you have had CPR training (who hasn't) you can do SOMETHING.

If you can walk away and look at yourself in the mirror, so be it.

I survived a witnessed full arrest. AED, CPR, load and go. Two days later I woke up in the hospital.
The shit works. Not everytime, but it worked for me.
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A little thing known as the good samaritan law prevent that. As long as you do as taught. No redneck engineering needed.

Example if I am working as an EMT, I can be sued like you say. But, if I'm off duty and aid someone, I can't.
If I have CPR training and working as a clerk and someone drops, I can aid them, and it is covered under the Good Samaritan law.

Don't get me wrong. My lips do not touch dead lips, but you can adjust an airway, do compressions, and walk away when the cavalry arrives. But if you have had CPR training (who hasn't) you can do SOMETHING.

If you can walk away and look at yourself in the mirror, so be it.

I survived a witnessed full arrest. AED, CPR, load and go. Two days later I woke up in the hospital.
The shit works. Not everytime, but it worked for me.
I watched my father die on the living room floor at 48 years old. He was having chest pains so we called 911 and waited. Paramedics showed up to treat him but were out of oxygen. They did what they could till a ambulance showed up. They walked in and then were told to go back out and get a tank.
All the training all the equipment in the world dont matter when its your time.
This poor lady was at the end of her life cycle the door was open and the light was on. I dont think another day or year mattered to her or the kids. Im not very religious but I believe she is much better off right now.
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I'm guessing you've never been to many nursing homes . . . "no resuscitation" is pretty common with very poor health elderly patients.
I have a little bit of knowledge how it works.

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There was no DNR on site/file which would have been required for EMS to not work it as a full Code.

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There is liablity both ways. If some does CPR wrong and causes harm doing so they also can be sued. A friend that works the DOC said they can get sued either way.
Huh? You have no idea how many times I've felt sternums and ribs break under my hands, and I've never been sued. Not even kidding, I did CPR last night, in a nursing home. I will not be sued. 100% guaranteed.
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Remember- this was an 'assisted care facility'

Essentially a very expensive apartment with a common eating area.

The staff is mainly CNA's, with a nurse as a supervisor.

Legally, an assisted care facility is very different from a nursing home, since no health care is provided on site, only meals, laundry and distribution of prescribed medicine.

My mother and my wife (NOT the same person, smartasses) both worked at Fraser Villa assisted care. Under no circumstances were they to perform any procedures, or move the person in case of a fall unless leaving them posed an imminent danger (i.e. a fall in the parking lot).

While the nurse in question would be qualified to perform CPR, she would definitely lose her job if she did so. This would also go on her employment record and she would have a hard time finding a new job. Putting your employer in legal jeopardy does not look good.


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