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View Poll Results: What do you think is going to happen to the great US of A?
TEOTWAWKI 10 14.49%
A slow down like in 08 14 20.29%
worse then great depression 26 37.68%
absolutley nothing 9 13.04%
Things are going to continue to get better 10 14.49%
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #21
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Gas price is up, consumer spending will slow, economy will slow. Gas prices are the key. That's how it works in my simple mind anyway.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #22
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I may relocate in the South ,because that's where I see to most improvement. Michigan is all but dead.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #23
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Gas price is up, consumer spending will slow, economy will slow. Gas prices are the key. That's how it works in my simple mind anyway.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:45 AM   #24
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car sales are up also. Im more busy in the last 1.5 years then I have been in the last 5 years. That doesnt have to do with economy but that our company purchased a competitor. In the exhaust world of automotive things are slightly slower then they were 5 years ago. We are seeing GM slowing down on new engine platforms so new exhaust changes are neccasary.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 09:17 AM   #25
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I just started my business so I can't say. All the plumbing supply houses tell me that things are picking up though.
Best of luck to you with your business.
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We are busy because businesses are expanding. All the big jobs that we have done in the last couple years and the ones we have coming up are for long time customers.
Good to hear you are doing well, by the sounds of your thread in the pub you will be busy the next few years.

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We build feed equipment for stamping presses. Our machines range in price from $20,000 for a small feeder to over $1,000,000 for a complete line that will handle heavy steel. We also rebuild used equipment.

I have spent a lot of time in the last year in the south. Last week was in Texas, the customer spent over $1,000,000 on 3 lines, with more in the works.

To be truthful, the majority of our work is coming in from other states, Canada, and Mexico.
I have heard that the south is picking up big time from a few different people.
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Our best year was 2010 but it was because of something we had been working on for a couple years. So no plus or minus to Obama.
Since then, we have been at about the same pace that the company has seen since 2005/06. Some up, some down. If anything, speaking domestically, the current economy has hurt us. Speaking international, our business is looking up.

Or main reason for growth has been internal innovation. NOTHING to do with the economy. We are a problem solving company and we make a living fixing problems that our competitors cannot fix.
Good to hear things are still looking up for your company.
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You hit a key point. Things are picking back up when you look at individual businesses or companies. Overall I think Michigan is lower than they were compared to the last couple of decades prior to 2006.
These are my thoughts exactly. I think people/business are holding tight and only dong what they have to do to stay alive and not go under. This may mean expansion to meet demand and keep customers happy or layoffs to stay in the black.

I know my main company is expanding to meet demand but the CEO is still hesitant on spending any more than bare minimum. He used to be all for expansion and growth then justifying expansion by finding new business, now he is finding new work before justify expansion.

To the original question. I think that we will have a down turn that will rival 2008 if not surpass it. Consumer spending is down, unemployment is still high nation wide, gas is going up, forecloses are still more prevalent than years past, the world is not extremely stable right now. To me I see no reason why the stock market is this high other than people have a false sense of security because they have been able to hang on this long.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #26
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I work for a prototype/low volume production manufacturing company. We specialized in quick turnaround stamping/prototype exhaust/and lots of parts for motorsports. Thanks to Nascar's new gen 6 car, Robby Gordon’s Super stadium truck series, new diesel emissions crap, and new UTV/ATVs in the pipeline we are doing very well at the moment. Like White Rhino most of our success comes from continual internal improvements. We have very high skill level technicians and specialize in making parts that no one else can do in the time frame or offer the quality and repeatability required. It helps having very motivated owner/sales guys. So I guess we can thank the epa for some of our recent boom but we seem to find work everywhere. Things looked shaky back at the start of 08 but within a month everyone was back from layoff and balls to the wall working over time since. I think we have been setting new sales/profit records since then and most of it goes right back into the company. Lots of new equipment has showed up the last few years and now they are planning on consolidating our three buildings into one new 100,000sqft facility.


But back to the original question, I can see the overall economy taking another dip thanks to what is going on in Washington and oversees. In my opinion the country is falling apart regardless of what the economy is doing. We keep losing personal freedoms, access to public lands, the lazy and entitled multiply by the day, cost of living keeps going up, taxes will probably continue to go up, infrastructure we use on a Dailey basis will continue to crumble because our government can’t seem to find the cash because they blow it on other crap, ext.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #27
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I work for a prototype/low volume production manufacturing company. We specialized in quick turnaround stamping/prototype exhaust/and lots of parts for motorsports. Thanks to Nascar's new gen 6 car, Robby Gordonís Super stadium truck series, new diesel emissions crap, and new UTV/ATVs in the pipeline we are doing very well at the moment. Like White Rhino most of our success comes from continual internal improvements. We have very high skill level technicians and specialize in making parts that no one else can do in the time frame or offer the quality and repeatability required. It helps having very motivated owner/sales guys. So I guess we can thank the epa for some of our recent boom but we seem to find work everywhere. Things looked shaky back at the start of 08 but within a month everyone was back from layoff and balls to the wall working over time since. I think we have been setting new sales/profit records since then and most of it goes right back into the company. Lots of new equipment has showed up the last few years and now they are planning on consolidating our three buildings into one new 100,000sqft facility.


But back to the original question, I can see the overall economy taking another dip thanks to what is going on in Washington and oversees. In my opinion the country is falling apart regardless of what the economy is doing. We keep losing personal freedoms, access to public lands, the lazy and entitled multiply by the day, cost of living keeps going up, taxes will probably continue to go up, infrastructure we use on a Dailey basis will continue to crumble because our government canít seem to find the cash because they blow it on other crap, ext.
what the name of the company? Do you guys just stamp and bend pipes or do you anything with canning converters? Im in the exhaust/aftertreatment industry also.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:22 AM   #28
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Technique Inc. We do alot of pain in the butt low volume parts for the bigger exhaust suppliers that they don't want to mess with. I don't work in the stamping plant but i have seen them working on what looks like they could be converters, to x/y pipes, prototype washing machine lids and covers, ext. The plant I run contains blm tube laser, eaton leonard cnc tube bender, saw and end forming equipment. any cnc tube benders operators out there looking for a job? we are looking to add 2nd shift. what company are you with? we probably do parts for you already.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #29
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Dow hits record highs...........for absolutely no logical reason. I don't see this ending well. Will the Dow dip to 4K this time?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #30
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Gas price is up, consumer spending will slow, economy will slow. Gas prices are the key. That's how it works in my simple mind anyway.
Thats what I was also thinking the other day. Johnson oil(local company here in Gaylord) has the gas prices all over town at least .10 cents higher than lets say Grayling or Traverse City for no reason that I can see all the time. They supply the whole town so it doesnt matter what 10+ gas stations you stop at in this town cause they are all the same price. Complete bullshit if you ask me, whats the point in so many gas stations then?

Now if the gov dropped gas prices down to lets say 2.00 a gallon instead of 3.96 a gallon I believe there would be a major improvement in the economy because people would have extra money at the end of the week, or be more inclined to take a trip instead of staying home on the weekend or spend it otherwise.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:08 AM   #31
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the home improvement business

things will never be the same for home improvement business unless house prices go back up,,,people just arent putting money in there homes like they use too...sucks my business took large hit,,,,had to take a full time job to survive.i also believe gas prices have alot to do with economy
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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:43 AM   #32
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I do firmly believe that there is going to be a nation wide collapse, maybe not in the next 5-10 years but i'm willing to bet that in the next 25-50 years it's going to happen. I'm talking fall of Rome kind of collapse. At the rate things are going with the way this country is being run and the kinds of people that are going to be taking office; it's hard for me to be very optimistic.

Maybe i'm just being paranoid, but I don't see how this country can go back to what it was.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #33
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I think eventually the human race will take a downturn that will make the dark ages look like the good old day.

But until then it will be the same ups and downs.

We've been busy for the last couple of years but a lot of it was government funded "green energy " type programs and working to meet new diesel emission requirements.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #34
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Eventually, the sun will enter the red dwarf phase and none of this will matter.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #35
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Dow hits record highs...........for absolutely no logical reason. I don't see this ending well. Will the Dow dip to 4K this time?
ya no kidding. I dont know about 4k, but I think 9k range is not out of question. Most traders I know are short selling or have pulled out in the last 6 months as they are waiting for a market correction.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:22 AM   #36
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Technique Inc. We do alot of pain in the butt low volume parts for the bigger exhaust suppliers that they don't want to mess with. I don't work in the stamping plant but i have seen them working on what looks like they could be converters, to x/y pipes, prototype washing machine lids and covers, ext. The plant I run contains blm tube laser, eaton leonard cnc tube bender, saw and end forming equipment. any cnc tube benders operators out there looking for a job? we are looking to add 2nd shift. what company are you with? we probably do parts for you already.
we are on the hot end side of exhaust. Just aftertreament devices. I work for company out of Buffalo that manufactures the mats that are used inside of Cats DPFs, DOCs, SCRs. Its a small world im sure we know several of the same people. My big customers are Katcon, Eberspaecher, GM, Chysler, and Faurecia. we also deal with tenneco, Benteler, PNC, Shilo, and Big Rapids in the US.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:35 AM   #37
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I think the whole economy is getting better. Fridays jobs report indicated government is down sizing (at least work force) and private businesses added 200,000+ jobs last month.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #38
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I think the whole economy is getting better. Fridays jobs report indicated government is down sizing (at least work force) and private businesses added 200,000+ jobs last month.
Those numbers mean jack since not looking for work was taken out of the equation.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 02:41 PM   #39
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waiting for obama to finally sign the ok for the xl line
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Old March 9th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #40
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I think the whole economy is getting better. Fridays jobs report indicated government is down sizing (at least work force) and private businesses added 200,000+ jobs last month.
So 8% unemployment is the new normal?
Somebody is fudging the numbers to try and convince the people things are better than they really are. Hey we, or should I say our federal government is spending a Trillion dollars more every year than they bring in and they think that Taxing the people will get the debt under control.
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