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Old March 4th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #41
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I am a Christian and I am proud of my faith. If you would like to talk religion or beliefs I will be happy to tell you what I believe and I will try to explain why I believe what I do. I will also listen to your beliefs and we can argue different points but at the end of the day I am not going to push you into my religion and I will not be upset if you refuse. But if you want to share the happiness I feel, then I will help you! I think that is what Christianity is all about!
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Although I am a Christian, I even get a bit uncomfortable when the Jahovah's Witness' are at my front door. I understand what you all are saying, regardless of our different beliefs or non-beliefs.
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Christianity as a cult ,,,,,,,,,,,,.It's the organized religion and churches that fukc it up.
......and how many people have died (been killed) in the name of "chrisitianity"? think crusades, salem witch hunt trails, spanish inquisition, etc, etc.

God is probably turning over in his grave
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Why aren't more Christians like this? If people like this were the rule and not the exception I'd cling to my atheism much less devoutly and angrily.
Huh? I think your math is off as to what a rule and exception are. Just because the small group is vocal doesn't make them the majority.
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Well said Mr. Green Again. Good luck with a muslim telling them that you don't believe, they'll put you on the "list"
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I agree. I would much rather BELIEVE and be wrong and get nothing, than to NOT believe and be wrong and suffer the consequences. Just sayin... Who has more to lose???
That is the same philosophy behind "Pascal's Wager" - Pascal was a mathematician from the middle ages who, like many mathematicians reached a plateau in his development of mathematical concepts where he could go no further, and like many of his day drifted into religious philosophy. Do I live the good life of a Christian? If I bet wrong and there is no heaven, I have given up a finite amount of pleasures during my earthly existence and not "won" the prize. If there is a heaven, I win big. On the flip side, if I choose to ignore the teachings of Christianity and live life to it's fullest regardless of the consequences, and there still is no heaven, then I won in the game of life. But that living that "bad" life and getting a small reward looks pretty silly if there really is a heaven and I don't get in.

And although you may not have Muslims knocking on your door in 21st Century America, please don't forget history. The Mulslims spent several centuries conquering parts of the world in the name of Islam - their new subjects were either converted to Islam or butchered. The only exceptions were for true Christians (who were respected as being "Brothers of The Book" since the Koran and Old Testament draw on the same teachings), who were often allowed maintain their language, customs and religion but at a price: Their sons were conscripted at a young age, sent to live with Muslim families to be converted, then served as "Janissaries", the elite palace guard entrusted to protect the life of the Sultan.

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Although I am a Christian, I even get a bit uncomfortable when the Jahovah's Witness' are at my front door. I understand what you all are saying, regardless of our different beliefs or non-beliefs.
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I think Christians should share the word and what we believe. We should teach people that are willing about our faith and our beliefs. However if a person decides that they do not care to learn or they do not believe you should shove Christianity down their throats like a lot of people try to do. Instead you should pray to God that they will accept him. Being pushy will cause that person to fall farther from the faith.
Wait, so you mean if people act like you do (I never even knew you were religious) compared to how Aber acts more people will be open to hearing about your faith compared to Aber's faith.
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That is the same philosophy behind "Pascal's Wager" - Pascal was a mathematician from the middle ages who, like many mathematicians reached a plateau in his development of mathematical concepts where he could go no further, and like many of his day drifted into religious philosophy. Do I live the good life of a Christian? If I bet wrong and there is no heaven, I have given up a finite amount of pleasures during my earthly existence and not "won" the prize. If there is a heaven, I win big. On the flip side, if I choose to ignore the teachings of Christianity and live life to it's fullest regardless of the consequences, and there still is no heaven, then I won in the game of life. But that living that "bad" life and getting a small reward looks pretty silly if there really is a heaven and I don't get in.

And although you may not have Muslims knocking on your door in 21st Century America, please don't forget history. The Mulslims spent several centuries conquering parts of the world in the name of Islam - their new subjects were either converted to Islam or butchered. The only exceptions were for true Christians (who were respected as being "Brothers of The Book" since the Koran and Old Testament draw on the same teachings), who were often allowed maintain their language, customs and religion but at a price: Their sons were conscripted at a young age, sent to live with Muslim families to be converted, then served as "Janissaries", the elite palace guard entrusted to protect the life of the Sultan.

Sorry, history lesson over back to 4x4 stuff.
That was an interesting read. I love history.
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You've obviously never met a mormon then. They'll be your best friend until you don't convert, then you're basically shunned. Same with muslims - at least the modern western islamists. But you are describing American christians - really not that way with christians in other countries.
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I agree. I would much rather BELIEVE and be wrong and get nothing, than to NOT believe and be wrong and suffer the consequences. Just sayin... Who has more to lose???
It'd be great if it was your choice whether you believe things or not.
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That is the same philosophy behind "Pascal's Wager" - Pascal was a mathematician from the middle ages who, like many mathematicians reached a plateau in his development of mathematical concepts where he could go no further, and like many of his day drifted into religious philosophy. Do I live the good life of a Christian? If I bet wrong and there is no heaven, I have given up a finite amount of pleasures during my earthly existence and not "won" the prize. If there is a heaven, I win big. On the flip side, if I choose to ignore the teachings of Christianity and live life to it's fullest regardless of the consequences, and there still is no heaven, then I won in the game of life. But that living that "bad" life and getting a small reward looks pretty silly if there really is a heaven and I don't get in.
Yep, except Pascal was only taking Christianity as a whole as the only choice. The most logical choice would be to pick the religion that has the worst "hell" and live by it's rules to guarantee you don't get the worst "hell".
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Old March 4th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #53
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......and how many people have died (been killed) in the name of "chrisitianity"? think crusades, salem witch hunt trails, spanish inquisition, etc, etc.

God is probably turning over in his grave
let's get one thing clear, people kill people. not religion, not guns, not special showers at auschwitz. people are responsible for the killing.

and yes you can blame religion all you want for "in the name of" but religion is not an exclusive path to genocide: take a semi-modern look at genocide. my German ancestors exterminated millions upon millions. so too did Stalin/Lenin. North Korea's death toll on its own population is unknown and only guestimated at. countless other examples exist through the millenia.

the one thing in common? people.

as for religion:
Religion Religion
Religion <> Faith or a belief system despite the oft incorrect interchanging of same.

In my humble opinion the term: "Christianity" is not a religion. Catholicism is. Protestants under examples such as Methodists, Lutheran's etc. are - all of course are variations claiming to adhere to a belief in Jesus Christ as the Risen Lord and Savior. The fact is most are so bad at walking the talk that it dilutes the message, or comes off as hypocritical (said in as non judgmental of a way possible)
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You just like thinking about dat ass. I thought it was going to be the church lady from old SNL.
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Wait, so you mean if people act like you do (I never even knew you were religious) compared to how Aber acts more people will be open to hearing about your faith compared to Aber's faith.
Crazy concept huh? I have found that most people do not like other people's religious cock shoved down their throat all the time. IT'S RELIGION RAPE!!!
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Crazy concept huh? I have found that most people do not like other people's religious cock shoved down their throat all the time. IT'S RELIGION RAPE!!!
I am an atheist and the only time I talk about it is when people like aber start flapping their gums. Someday I may come to the realization that their is a god but it hasn't happened yet. The one thing I will guarantee is that somebody like aber will never make me believe. If he could talk like a normal person and not a brainwashed talking head he might actually be able to so some good. He never will so he will continue to give Christianity a bad name.
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I have never met a jew who tried to get me to convert to jewish religion.
I have never met a muslim who tried to get me to convert to muslim religion.
I have never met an islamic who tried to get me to convert to islam.
I have never met an aetheist who tried to make me become an aetheist.
I have never met a mormon who tried to make me become a mormon.

I have met a lot of christians who think that I am going to spontaneously combust if I don't start believing only in jesus.

My conclusion, christians are a cult not a religion.
You've met me. I am Christian And I don't think you will combust.

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Wait, so you mean if people act like you do (I never even knew you were religious) compared to how Aber acts more people will be open to hearing about your faith compared to Aber's faith.
Some Christians are quite passive about thier faith and timid about sharing thier belief with others. Which is contrary to what Christ expects us to do. We are to be on fire and bold to share our faith.
Some people are comfortable boldly sharing thier faith while some are comfortable keeping it to themselves.
One scripture really turned me around in my thinking and it was, how Christ said that, if you deny me before men on earth I will deny you before my Father in heaven.
By keeping the gospel to yourself is like denying Christ before man.
A word to Christians, you need to ask for boldness and knowledge to have the ability to share His word.
I was not always confident in sharing but stepping out in faith and hoping that if only 1 accepts Christ because of what is shared here is worth all the ridicule, besides the ridicule does not bother me.
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