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Old February 28th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #61
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An awful whacked plan if you ask me.
Especially given the state of the world now.
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Old February 28th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #62
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That was His plan not ours, that is why we can't wrap our thoughts around why He does what He does.
The Message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the Power of God. 1 Cor. 1:18
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I'm thankful every day for that plan!! Grace is an amazing thing.
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And yet 2000 years ago when he came and did that stuff they considered him a dangerous criminal and nailed him to a cross...
True. Can't argue with that but can agree with my fellow Christians in saying that was the plan. He upset the religious leaders of that time by challenging thier ability to love through grace.



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Especially given the state of the world now.
The thing that makes it even more bewildering is that he never really did anything to deserve the radical switch of opinion. The beginning of the week they were blessing him and saying "blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord" and by the end of the week, they nailed him to a tree.

But he still did it.

If you ask me, that gives you an idea of exactly what I was getting at in the original context of this thread. It was to give glory to God. By doing this 1, he gave us the ability, through the fulfillment of the OT laws, to glorify God with out sacrificing animals (PETA should love this btw) and 2 to Glorify God by following his will for his life.

He didn't come to fix the current world. He came to give us the ability to live in this world with hope of a new world. Humans have an instinctual ability to know when something isn't right. The Ct Shootings, Sandy, Columbine, Katrina, etc are all examples of our broken world. When any of us see those things we think "it shouldn't be this way". WE KNOW THIS WORLD IS BROKEN.

The reason being that we, and this world, are not designed to function with Sin. Christ came to give us a way to, once and for all, get rid of that sin in our own lives. The OT laws were proof that we couldn't do it on our own and so Jesus came and fulfilled them.

So yes, our world is broken and in horrible shape but those that believe in Christ and the grace God showed through him have hope for a world that isn't messed up.

By Sacrificing his own sun (which is a Whacked plan indeed) God gave us that ability. But, just like any other father, God knew what his son needed to do for the betterment of everybody.
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I heard this recently and though it humorous it also is profound. Atheists should consider giving themselves some wiggle room. If they're right and there is no God or heaven and only death , then they have no chance at all to come back and say "see I told you so" but if there is a God and a heaven and they're wrong what are they going to do say "I'm sorry you were right please forgive me father". Just saying it may not hurt to open your minds a bit more. I for one believe that there is more than happen chance that the trees breathe carbon dioxide and expel oxygen and that humans breathe oxygen and expel carbon dioxide as well as too many other coincidental factors. Someone was looking out for us.
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