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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:30 AM   #121
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You understand the average commute time for a bus route is an hour to an hour and a half under normal driving conditions. So using your logic and driving slow, you can double and triple the bus time. Knowing that a bus needs more room to stop even under dry condition due to the weight of the vehicle, imagine what the stopping distance would be on VERY icy roads? Combine that with uneven grades and you have a very dangerous situation. You really want your kids riding around in a 4 ton shit missile without the ability to stop or navigate turns? You are a smart guy, but you are not using your head on this one buddy
I rode the bus, everyday, from my parents house all the way into town on a dirt road, about 8 miles exactly. I was on the bus the day it spun out and went into the ditch on a big hill by my parents, we all lived, none of us even got hurt.

I rode the bus when they had to use their chains to get down the roads.

12 years of riding the bus down one of the worst roads in our school district, 1 spin out....

It's not about the buses, they used to use delayed starts, main roads only, etc. You can get your kid to the main road, if you don't trust the bus drive your kid all the way to school (that's what I would have done today).....

It's not about the roads, its about the fact that they close school anytime there is some sort of difficulty in life....it's just like the average kid at school, homework is easy, he does it, homework gets hard, cancel school their's 3" of hard homework on the road.....
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:31 AM   #122
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The buses will run in snow, just not ice
They closed school twice because it was COLD.

Last I checked the buses had heaters, and the school day takes place inside......
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I rode the bus, everyday, from my parents house all the way into town on a dirt road, about 8 miles exactly. I was on the bus the day it spun out and went into the ditch on a big hill by my parents, we all lived, none of us even got hurt.

I rode the bus when they had to use their chains to get down the roads.

12 years of riding the bus down one of the worst roads in our school district, 1 spin out....

It's not about the buses, they used to use delayed starts, main roads only, etc. You can get your kid to the main road, if you don't trust the bus drive your kid all the way to school (that's what I would have done today).....

It's not about the roads, its about the fact that they close school anytime there is some sort of difficulty in life....it's just like the average kid at school, homework is easy, he does it, homework gets hard, cancel school their's 3" of hard homework on the road.....

it is cheaper to close the school due to shitty weather than having to pay a law suit due to a bus crashing and hurting a child or someone the bus ran into, period. Again using your logic, when I was a kid I rode my bike everyday without a helmet(I've personally heard you yell at x-man for even looking at his bike without his helmet), I rode in a car everyday without a seat belt(something no parent would even think about today), including laying across the back dash board or whatever you call that thing behind the back seat. We played with lawn darts, which were 8lbs metal missiles, and we threw straight up in the air to see how high we could get it. The examples of reckless behavior that was considered the norm would be endless. Times change buddy, some things for the better, others not so much. I know personally I would rather see them close the school and not risk it, over having an inflated ego thinking you can make it. And going from my childhood, they never closed due to snow, but ice stopped us every time.
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it is cheaper to close the school due to shitty weather than having to pay a law suit due to a bus crashing and hurting a child or someone the bus ran into, period. Again using your logic, when I was a kid I rode my bike everyday without a helmet(I've personally heard you yell at x-man for even looking at his bike without his helmet), I rode in a car everyday without a seat belt(something no parent would even think about today), including laying across the back dash board or whatever you call that thing behind the back seat. We played with lawn darts, which were 8lbs metal missiles, and we threw straight up in the air to see how high we could get it. The examples of reckless behavior that was considered the norm would be endless. Times change buddy, some things for the better, others not so much. I know personally I would rather see them close the school and not risk it, over having an inflated ego thinking you can make it. And going from my childhood, they never closed due to snow, but ice stopped us every time.

Ahh the good ol' days

I do agree with you here!
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #125
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HCH is stating a good argument, but I refuse to agree with him, on principle alone.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #126
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Northern lake county IL, 13" snowfall since yesterday.

poor little snowblower is getting payback for not getting used last year.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #127
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HCH is stating a good argument, but I refuse to agree with him, on principle alone.
I refuse to agree with me too!
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:53 AM   #128
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it's 2013.. Thank about it.

Little kids go on bus.

Bus slides down hill and slides into ditch

little timmy has a scratch on his arm from the accident

school is sued for $504,233,238.00 and loses

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What's funny is you make a wild assumption that I simply looked out my window and said oh gee they cancelled school.

The point you failed to grasp is that we didn't get much accumulation overnight, which should have allowed the crews to get the roads clear enough to not cancel school. Further, I went out and bought milk this morning, I had no problem driving slowly, carefully and cautiosly in 2wd in my truck to the grocery store and back. I also didn't have any problems moving jessica's focus around to snowblow the driveway....
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it was snowing extremely hard between 4 and 5 am. they road were clear prior to that it came in two waves.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #130
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it is cheaper to close the school due to shitty weather than having to pay a law suit due to a bus crashing and hurting a child or someone the bus ran into, period. Again using your logic, when I was a kid I rode my bike everyday without a helmet(I've personally heard you yell at x-man for even looking at his bike without his helmet), I rode in a car everyday without a seat belt(something no parent would even think about today), including laying across the back dash board or whatever you call that thing behind the back seat. We played with lawn darts, which were 8lbs metal missiles, and we threw straight up in the air to see how high we could get it. The examples of reckless behavior that was considered the norm would be endless. Times change buddy, some things for the better, others not so much. I know personally I would rather see them close the school and not risk it, over having an inflated ego thinking you can make it. And going from my childhood, they never closed due to snow, but ice stopped us every time.
I don't mind if they close school, what I mind is the overuse of closing school EVERY time we have had weather this winter.

I don't want my kid riding a bus on bad roads, but if I think the roads are bad enough I will go pick him up.

True story, happened yesterday. Contractor calls up, first day of work at Ford is Wednesday 2/27. Demands hotel room because it might snow and we should put him up in a hotel because he drives a car, it might snow, and he lives in howell......

WTF? That's what, in my opinion, is caused by the "fringe" or "pussy" snow days. Dude thinks he gets a free pass just because he lives far away and its gonna snow.

Well obviously my employer laughed and said we would not provide a hotel room.

He accepted the job, he knew what the commute would be like, and then the first time it snows he acts like a pussy needing a hotel room?

Roads are bad I get it, I actually don't completely disagree with todays closing, but after not having a full school week since before christmas it's a bit ridiculous. Our schools have been closed due to icy backroads, COLD, and snow.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #131
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I don't mind if they close school, what I mind is the overuse of closing school EVERY time we have had weather this winter.

I don't want my kid riding a bus on bad roads, but if I think the roads are bad enough I will go pick him up.

True story, happened yesterday. Contractor calls up, first day of work at Ford is Wednesday 2/27. Demands hotel room because it might snow and we should put him up in a hotel because he drives a car, it might snow, and he lives in howell......

WTF? That's what, in my opinion, is caused by the "fringe" or "pussy" snow days. Dude thinks he gets a free pass just because he lives far away and its gonna snow.

Well obviously my employer laughed and said we would not provide a hotel room.

He accepted the job, he knew what the commute would be like, and then the first time it snows he acts like a pussy needing a hotel room?

Roads are bad I get it, I actually don't completely disagree with todays closing, but after not having a full school week since before christmas it's a bit ridiculous. Our schools have been closed due to icy backroads, COLD, and snow.
When temps get cold they should close schools, exposure is very dangerous. Now throw in a child who doesn't have the ability to recognize symptoms of exposure, added with many families that cannot afford good cold weather gear, i.e., coats, hats, boots and gloves. Every year at work we do a coat drive for needy families, and we never have leftovers.

I can remember school closing twice for cold temps when I was younger. You cannot base arguments for or against closing schools by using an adult standard. Using history as a lesson, the criteria for closing schools have changed. And to me it hasn't gone so far to call it pussification and it is always better to side on caution than error when dealing with peoples children. However saying that, all the safety stops that have evolved over the years it is nothing short of a miracle that any of us survived our childhood.

As far as your contractor, tell him to get his big boy pants on. He is an adult, not a child...the rules are different.

Speaking of which shouldn’t you be working or did you take a snow day too?
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When temps get cold they should close schools, exposure is very dangerous. Now throw in a child who doesn't have the ability to recognize symptoms of exposure, added with many families that cannot afford good cold weather gear, i.e., coats, hats, boots and gloves. Every year at work we do a coat drive for needy families, and we never have leftovers.

I can remember school closing twice for cold temps when I was younger. You cannot base arguments for or against closing schools by using an adult standard. Using history as a lesson, the criteria for closing schools have changed. And to me it hasn't gone so far to call it pussification and it is always better to side on caution than error when dealing with peoples children. However saying that, all the safety stops that have evolved over the years it is nothing short of a miracle that any of us survived our childhood.

As far as your contractor, tell him to get his big boy pants on. He is an adult, not a child...the rules are different.

Speaking of which shouldn’t you be working or did you take a snow day too?
I couldn't believe the contractor, it was unreal. I thought the dude was going to break down and cry.

I don't mind erring on the side of caution, I just think our side of caution has gotten a bit absord.

The day they closed schools air temps were still in the positive side of things, there was some wind chill, but nothing to close school over IMO.

I remember two days we had school closed due to temperature, I was in 7th grade or so, I spent the day ice fishing.....sitting outside all day instead of going to school
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Cosidering the current e-fight, I side with Kickstand.
I went to school back in the days of Yetti's super storms. I walked to the bus stop, I didn't get a ride from my mom. I walked home from it too. I remember the bus getting stuck, we all thought it was cool but we still ended up in class.

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Cosidering the current e-fight, I side with Kickstand.
I went to school back in the days of Yetti's super storms. I walked to the bus stop, I didn't get a ride from my mom. I walked home from it too. I remember the bus getting stuck, we all thought it was cool but we still ended up in class.

Our society is growing sissies. Oh, and I miss Jarts.
X2 I remember wearing my 10' long knitted scarf to ward off frostbite while using my steel Evil Knievel lunchbox as a sled before the bus came.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #135
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Cosidering the current e-fight, I side with Kickstand.
I went to school back in the days of Yetti's super storms. I walked to the bus stop, I didn't get a ride from my mom. I walked home from it too. I remember the bus getting stuck, we all thought it was cool but we still ended up in class.

Our society is growing sissies. Oh, and I miss Jarts.
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I suggest stop using seat belts for children then, because we didn't use them when I was a child and I survived, and so did a bunch of other kids...
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about 8 miles exactly.
I am laughing so hard i couldn't read past this.
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I am laughing so hard i couldn't read past this.
I saw that too
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you all got to ride a school bus ! had to walk into the wind , up hill , both ways !
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you all got to ride a school bus ! had to walk into the wind , up hill , both ways !

Yeah well, we didn't even have shoes to walk in.............we just tied old Corn husk to the bottom of our feet with binder twine.
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you had corn husks ! and farmer laces , you were lucky . Must have come from the rich side of town
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