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Old February 8th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #41
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I dunno about you, but I like to live my life, and stretch my dollar and be able to do things as often as I want, if I can save a few bucks on fuel here and there to do so it just means more fun $$ and less gas $$
Winner winner fake chicken dinner...

I don't have a fascination with econboxes, but I do have a fascination with what I can do with my dollar bills besides putting them in my fuel tank.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #42
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Isn't part of the diesel appeal that it doesn't feel like a turd while pulling down those MPG's?

It seems most cars that are gas you have to baby to get that kind of mileage, I was under the impression the diesel actually feels kind of sporty due to the low end torque, making it more fun to drive while you get the MPG's.
Yeah, in Europe, we often end up with rentals with 1.4 or 1.6 TDs, but they drive awesome in the stop and go in cities. You can feel the lack of HP (or, imbalance in hp vs tq compared to a gasser) on the highways, but in the city, they are great.

I always thought that the market that should have been done here would be 2.0 TDIs in the 140-150hp/250ft-lb range into S10/Ranger type trucks and knock a solid 30mpg with them.


Fur us, neither myself or my wife drive freeways unless its some special trip somewhere. Most of my commute is stop and go, she is a stay at home mom and averages 5000 miles per year for the last 8 years. Our fuel costs are pretty reasonable, but if I could get a ~4.0 TD in my F150 that made LESS horsepower than what I have now, but more torque, I'd be all over it.

Its rediculous that there aren't options. On one hand, the OEMS say the public doesn't want them, and on the other hand they sell as many $8000 diesel options in 250/350s as they can make.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #43
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Winner winner fake chicken dinner...

I don't have a fascination with econboxes, but I do have a fascination with what I can do with my dollar bills besides putting them in my fuel tank.
I used to do that, with a 3/4 ton dodge for my truck, and a smaller car for work. Ran the numbers (real numbers with the parts, plates, etc) and it ended up cheaper to sell both and just get an F150. Depends a lot on how muh you drive though. The Focus I had was only getting 24mpg on my commute and I get 14mpg in the F150. The fusion before that was 20mpg, as was the SRT neon. Had a honda that got 35mpg, but, uck, it was a crappy 90s 70hp honda.

Commute is about 20 miles total per day. So I use ~1.43 gallons per day * 20 days per month in the F150 = 28.6 gallons

In the Focus, I used 0.83 gallons per day, x 20 days = 16.6 gallons

So, I could save 12 gallons, which is about $40 a month, but then I need 2x insurance policies, 2x plates, and maintenence. Made no difference for us, but if those drives were longer, it could certainly add up.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #44
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I used to do that, with a 3/4 ton dodge for my truck, and a smaller car for work. Ran the numbers (real numbers with the parts, plates, etc) and it ended up cheaper to sell both and just get an F150. Depends a lot on how muh you drive though. The Focus I had was only getting 24mpg on my commute and I get 14mpg in the F150. The fusion before that was 20mpg, as was the SRT neon. Had a honda that got 35mpg, but, uck, it was a crappy 90s 70hp honda.

Commute is about 20 miles total per day. So I use ~1.43 gallons per day * 20 days per month in the F150 = 28.6 gallons

In the Focus, I used 0.83 gallons per day, x 20 days = 16.6 gallons

So, I could save 12 gallons, which is about $40 a month, but then I need 2x insurance policies, 2x plates, and maintenence. Made no difference for us, but if those drives were longer, it could certainly add up.
When I switched to 2 cars I was driving 120 miles round trip. 20 miles total it wouldn't make sense to have two cars. At all.

120 miles * 5 * 50 weeks = 30,000 miles

17 mpg = 1765 gallons of fuel * 4 = 7060
35 mpg = 857 gallsons of fuel * 4 = $3428

$3632/year in fuel. Plus tires, plus oil, plus the odds and end running around town where the truck gets 14-15 and the car still gets 25-30mpg.....Then add in the trips to gramma's house, or up north where you don't need the truck, etc. and the shit getter becomes worth it.

Now that I don't drive more than 200 miles a week I got rid of the shit getter.
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When I switched to 2 cars I was driving 120 miles round trip. 20 miles total it wouldn't make sense to have two cars. At all.

120 miles * 5 * 50 weeks = 30,000 miles

17 mpg = 1765 gallons of fuel * 4 = 7060
35 mpg = 857 gallsons of fuel * 4 = $3428

$3632/year in fuel. Plus tires, plus oil, plus the odds and end running around town where the truck gets 14-15 and the car still gets 25-30mpg.....Then add in the trips to gramma's house, or up north where you don't need the truck, etc. and the shit getter becomes worth it.

Now that I don't drive more than 200 miles a week I got rid of the shit getter.
Yep. Like I said, we are in a scenario different from many on the board.

For me, it was actually the opposite on the weekends. Weekends, I usually am doing 'truck' things if I'm driving somewhere, so I was only getting 10mpg in the V10 dodge. If we go somewhere like Grandparents, etc, then we take the wife's vehicle, anyway.

Thats also part of it. Since its a 4x4 board, and its my hobby, I tend to already have a spare vehicle, the Jeep. In my case, I have 4 of them right now (although only the XJ and CJ7 are drivers, the CJ6 and CJ3b are deep projects)... and then I have my truck, and my wife's Durango. So thats 6 vehicles. Adding a 7th, I fear, might put me into redneck territory.
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Yep. Like I said, we are in a scenario different from many on the board.

For me, it was actually the opposite on the weekends. Weekends, I usually am doing 'truck' things if I'm driving somewhere, so I was only getting 10mpg in the V10 dodge. If we go somewhere like Grandparents, etc, then we take the wife's vehicle, anyway.

Thats also part of it. Since its a 4x4 board, and its my hobby, I tend to already have a spare vehicle, the Jeep. In my case, I have 4 of them right now (although only the XJ and CJ7 are drivers, the CJ6 and CJ3b are deep projects)... and then I have my truck, and my wife's Durango. So thats 6 vehicles. Adding a 7th, I fear, might put me into redneck territory.
I typically "try" to use the focus on the weekends whenver possible, but I'm not carting 12 kids around either, just 2. So we can get away with it most of the time.

We had 2 focuses and an f350, we're now down to a silverado and a focus and the silverado is our need more room than just 4 bodies vehicle.
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I just sold my 92 cutlass commuter and my 00 F350 driveway ornament and just bought a new 1/2 ton. Besides the pmt ownership costs are a wash. Plus I get to drive a nice vehicle every time I leave the house. Living 2 miles from work helps...
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