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Old February 5th, 2013, 04:55 AM   #21
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I normally agree with your post. You are very knowledgeable about firearms as at as I can tell. You are dead wrong. It would only be a straw purchase if she bought it in HER name with intentions of it being for him.
So if she cant legally buy the firearm , she has the friend do the paper work then SHE pays for it ? We assume he's being the man telling her to pay but legally he did the paperwork she's paying. Thats a straw purchase and it wouldnt happen in our shop. Not if we plan to do business much longer.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 05:25 AM   #22
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I purchased from gg in 2003. I have not been back. They were realy a bunch of asses. Now silver bullet in gr takes that prize.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #23
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So if she cant legally buy the firearm , she has the friend do the paper work then SHE pays for it ? We assume he's being the man telling her to pay but legally he did the paperwork she's paying. Thats a straw purchase and it wouldnt happen in our shop. Not if we plan to do business much longer.
How would it work if my girlfriend and I both filled out the paper work, one gun was registered to each of us, yet I paid for both?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:35 AM   #24
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How would it work if my girlfriend and I both filled out the paper work, one gun was registered to each of us, yet I paid for both?
Go to the first question " are you the actual buyer of the firearm " ? So no you can't buy it for her. Its a gray area if you have joint checking or creditcards you could both be the buyers. In the case of pistols she did fill out the 4473 and pistol registration form so she wouldnt be a prohibited buyer.
I will tell you what I tell all the other internet lawyers . Give me your cell number and next time were in front of ATF for some infractions you can ride along.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #25
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With that being said, I am 20, but turning 21 in March. Will I be able to put a gun in layaway and then pick it up after I turn 21?


Yes you should be able to I did it when I was 20 and wanted my first handgun They told me it was fine to do that but "I had to have a purchase permit to pick it up" which was fine with me.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 01:44 PM   #26
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http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...-purchases.pdf

Clearly states that a gift is not a straw purchase. His story says nothing about her picking it out. He said the guy filling the forum out simply asked her to buy it to me that's a gift. Doesn't matter what their relationship is. Here is something to think about.

Subject A wants a new handgun. Subject A tells subject B. B goes into store an buys a gift card. A and B walk into store. A shops and picks out a Springfield XDS and says "I want to buy this gun". He fills out paper work and goes to pay for it. B with a huge smile pulls the gift card out of her purse and says "honey I got this gift card the other day. I wanted to get it for you". You are going to say no?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 02:10 PM   #27
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Go to the first question " are you the actual buyer of the firearm " ? So no you can't buy it for her. Its a gray area if you have joint checking or creditcards you could both be the buyers. In the case of pistols she did fill out the 4473 and pistol registration form so she wouldnt be a prohibited buyer.
I will tell you what I tell all the other internet lawyers . Give me your cell number and next time were in front of ATF for some infractions you can ride along.
We just left a shop with a Ruger lc380. The lcp was too small for her hand. She filled out all of the paperwork. The only thing I signed was the cc receipt.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #28
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Funny you guys should say that, specially you aber61 about being disrespectful to the customers, but my dad was in there one time and there was a couple (black guy white girl- idk if that makes a difference regarding the situation lol) but the guy was buying the gun and after everything was good to go, when they went to pay he told her (his wife/ gf/ sugamama) to pay the man. My dad said the employee put the stop on that transaction real quick. I guess I can see where they, GG, would do that though. Seems pretty sketchy Lol
Not to sure exactly what you mean by that but it seems more than just two of us here have a problem with GG.
Not so much from the employees but from manager/owner type of people.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #29
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We just left a shop with a Ruger lc380. The lcp was too small for her hand. She filled out all of the paperwork. The only thing I signed was the cc receipt.
Hey EasyE, straw dreezy?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #30
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http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...-purchases.pdf

Clearly states that a gift is not a straw purchase. His story says nothing about her picking it out. He said the guy filling the forum out simply asked her to buy it to me that's a gift. Doesn't matter what their relationship is. Here is something to think about.

Subject A wants a new handgun. Subject A tells subject B. B goes into store an buys a gift card. A and B walk into store. A shops and picks out a Springfield XDS and says "I want to buy this gun". He fills out paper work and goes to pay for it. B with a huge smile pulls the gift card out of her purse and says "honey I got this gift card the other day. I wanted to get it for you". You are going to say no?
We both weren't there but if the guy does the looking , picks it out , fills out the paper work and then TELLS HER TO PAY FOR IT then its a straw purchase. Now if its a gift most people work that out in the beginning so there's no miss understanding. Your gift card idea is a great example because its a gift card. It is normally a gift and used for gift purchases.

One thing you got to remember is most of these things haunt you after the fact. Take Mr Drezzy there with his credit card . His girl friend picks out a gun and some ammo so Mr Drezzy whips out that Master Card and pays for it.
Now a month later or even two years later she looses it and shoots some people. The police do their thing gets the ATF involved they pull the paperwork and look at the sales record and see that someone else other than the girl paid for the firearm ? Now guess what ? Mr Drezzy gets a visit .
So no big deal they have joint checking her money is my money we share money. They let Mr drezzy go and everything is fine for him right ?
Now the families of the people that died file a civil suit against the girl and she doesn't have much but wait theres the joint finances ! She wouldn't have had the pistola if someone didn't help her out ? By the time the lawyers get done Mr Drezzy is broke.
All this could have been avoided by not playing games at the gun counter . Get your shit straight before coming in the door and don't trust your freedom with another person.

Edit to add Mr Drezzy is problaly a outstanding guy and hopefully don't mind me using his sale for example.
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So if you gift a firearm that is used in a crime you are liable civilly? I don't think that's true. However, civil matters have crazy outcomes sometimes. That being said how is it a straw purchase? How is the gun seller/store liable? All I am getting at is gifting a firearm is legal. Who pulls the cash credit or gift card doesn't matter. If the person filling out the paperwork is buying with intention of gifting the firearm there are proper steps to take to make it legal.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #32
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So if you gift a firearm that is used in a crime you are liable civilly? I don't think that's true. However, civil matters have crazy outcomes sometimes. That being said how is it a straw purchase? How is the gun seller/store liable? All I am getting at is gifting a firearm is legal. Who pulls the cash credit or gift card doesn't matter. If the person filling out the paperwork is buying with intention of gifting the firearm there are proper steps to take to make it legal.
If your talking about 8PTBUCK's post again with the info he posted I wouldn't allow it.
If your talking about boy friend girl friend doing the joint gifting thing yes your story would probably pass its a judgment call . All though rare if something did happen yes the sellers and buyers could be liable just like bars serving drinks.
Look at the Sandy Hook shooting . The first thing they did was go to local dealers to find out where the guns came from. I can't remember the store but they ID the shooter and lucky for the store nothing was sold by them.

Edit I missed your first question Yes you gift a rifle or pistol to wrong person you could be held liable . If you read what I wrote eariler you may beat the wrap but the lawyer cost will be enough punishment. Just be careful who you trust your freedoms with.

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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #33
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We both weren't there but if the guy does the looking , picks it out , fills out the paper work and then TELLS HER TO PAY FOR IT then its a straw purchase. Now if its a gift most people work that out in the beginning so there's no miss understanding. Your gift card idea is a great example because its a gift card. It is normally a gift and used for gift purchases.

One thing you got to remember is most of these things haunt you after the fact. Take Mr Drezzy there with his credit card . His girl friend picks out a gun and some ammo so Mr Drezzy whips out that Master Card and pays for it.
Now a month later or even two years later she looses it and shoots some people. The police do their thing gets the ATF involved they pull the paperwork and look at the sales record and see that someone else other than the girl paid for the firearm ? Now guess what ? Mr Drezzy gets a visit .
So no big deal they have joint checking her money is my money we share money. They let Mr drezzy go and everything is fine for him right ?
Now the families of the people that died file a civil suit against the girl and she doesn't have much but wait theres the joint finances ! She wouldn't have had the pistola if someone didn't help her out ? By the time the lawyers get done Mr Drezzy is broke.
All this could have been avoided by not playing games at the gun counter . Get your shit straight before coming in the door and don't trust your freedom with another person.

Edit to add Mr Drezzy is problaly a outstanding guy and hopefully don't mind me using his sale for example.
I do not mind one bit. However I do instil a bit of trust to the mother of my children.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #34
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I do not mind one bit. However I do instil a bit of trust to the mother of my children.
That is someone you need to take care of ! Now its time for her to get that CPL .
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