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Old February 1st, 2013, 05:02 PM   #21
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there is almost limitless technology is pretty much any topic you can think of. The reason the technology is never "brought to the masses" is almost always as simple as a good business case of supply vs demand and ROI. Let me ask you this, do you think there is a shortage of cellulose based produce (both food grade, and feed grade) in America, or is it over-produced, or do we only produce what is required?

That being said, higher ethanol is going to F with my fuel cell foam and cylinder/bobber sending unit even more, which annoys me lol
No idea on the cellulose based stuff but I am sure it has something to do with lining the pockets of those in higher standing than me.

The fuel cell foam in my mustang of years ago started to deteriorate before I sold the car. Why don't they make it to be able to withstand the fuels that come out of the pump? Do they think we only use race gas or water?
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why not mix your own take a 5 gallon can of ethanol with you when you full up
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Are you dumb? What post above makes you think that adding more ethanol is a good thing? Also, capitalization and punctuation are a good thing, they make you sound more intelligent than a 8 year old with a keyboard.
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Are you dumb? What post above makes you think that adding more ethanol is a good thing? Also, capitalization and punctuation are a good thing, they make you sound more intelligent than a 8 year old with a keyboard.
It's going to take a lot more than that.
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It's going to take a lot more than that.
It's a start. I am waiting for him to make a claim about his intelligence or the validity of ethanol as a fuel in a engine not designed to utilize the piss poor properties it possess.
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Are you dumb? What post above makes you think that adding more ethanol is a good thing? Also, capitalization and punctuation are a good thing, they make you sound more intelligent than a 8 year old with a keyboard.
Repeat after me I will not call Rockstar Dumb again.

Ok repeat that 200 times
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I'll debate that one if you really want to get into it (honestly I would rather not lol). But there are plenty of ways to produce ethanol without disturbing production output of farmers, many of which are tech driven and will be mainstream market within a pretty short period of time (especialy now that demand will increase).
I wouldn't be able to make an intelligent debate on the subject of emerging technologies of ethanol production. My comment is solely based on current consumption of grain/corn and the amount of energy it takes to refine to ethanol. It's a failing method.
I have no idea of what other methods they have.

I also have no desire to further the subject.
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It's a start. I am waiting for him to make a claim about his intelligence or the validity of ethanol as a fuel in a engine not designed to utilize the piss poor properties it possess.
It is actually a great product for some purposes. It has a higher octane rating which means it can be a good alternative to Race Fuel and is cheaper.

There are a few downfalls to it also.

But it can be produced in every country and should be more environmentally safe in comparison to petroleum products.

But there is too much money to be made from the petro products to abandon them. Money is what makes the world go 'round so until it runs out or becomes rare enough to make other fuels seem more affordable it will reign.
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I wouldn't be able to make an intelligent debate on the subject of emerging technologies of ethanol production. My comment is solely based on current consumption of grain/corn and the amount of energy it takes to refine to ethanol. It's a failing method.
I have no idea of what other methods they have.

I also have no desire to further the subject.
Great then I will get the last word.

There are countries that have switched to ethanol entirely. I do not know how that is working out for them but they have my support in the form of words of support!
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Great then I will get the last word.

There are countries that have switched to ethanol entirely. I do not know how that is working out for them but they have my support in the form of words of support!
There is no shortage of domestic oil. We really don't need to import a drop.
Ethanol is not a solution no matter how it's produced.

I call quits, subject over and I get the last word.
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Repeat after me I will not call Rockstar Dumb again.

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Two things I noticed; you did not dispute the fact that I called you dumb nor did you answer my legitimate question as to why you think adding more ethanol is a good thing. If it is a good thing to add and you have knowledge that proves this please provide this and I will retract my comment about you.
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Two things I noticed; you did not dispute the fact that I called you dumb nor did you answer my legitimate question as to why you think adding more ethanol is a good thing. If it is a good thing to add and you have knowledge that proves this please provide this and I will retract my comment about you.
You're better off debating with that little cat playing with the ball of string.
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There is no shortage of domestic oil. We really don't need to import a drop.
Ethanol is not a solution no matter how it's produced.

I call quits, subject over and I get the last word.

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A certain percentage of corn harvested is regulated solely for ethanol fuel production. Other countries process ethanol more efficiently and we could probably import it at a lesser cost if the importation wasn't subject to heavy tariffs put in place to prop up domestic production.

Ethanol-free gas stations: http://www.pure-gas.org/
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It is actually a great product for some purposes. It has a higher octane rating which means it can be a good alternative to Race Fuel and is cheaper.

There are a few downfalls to it also.

But it can be produced in every country and should be more environmentally safe in comparison to petroleum products.

But there is too much money to be made from the petro products to abandon them. Money is what makes the world go 'round so until it runs out or becomes rare enough to make other fuels seem more affordable it will reign.
I will agree that it is a cheap alternative to get you to 110 octane. I will have to agree that some aspects of are better for the environment than petrol. My argument against the environmental side is that we currently use corn. To produce corn on a scale large enough to meet a demand of this size you have to use chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. These lech into the ground water and contaminate the rivers and lakes and the water we drink. Giving a demand for additional production some new land will have to be cleared and converted to farm land furthering deforestation of the land. If we want to use ethanol we should be looking at switch grass that produces a much higher gallon per acre rate than corn.

I fully support alternatives to petroleum based fuel I just wish the government would let the technology and research decided what to use and not force the people to use something. Oil is by no means a perfect product, and I think we should be looking into LNG and biodiesel. Until then drill baby drill.
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You're better off debating with that little cat playing with the ball of string.
I know, but I have this warm and fuzzy feeling inside right now that I am trying to do something good. Here I will even put this smiley in for everyone since you all are thinking this.
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This is all to push the electric car on the public...


Electric is the future..... Eventually. However, public acceptance won't increase without the economy of scale to bring the cost of an all electric vehicle to the sub $20,000 mark- the price point of a 'second car' or one that is mainly used for short trips.
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I will agree that it is a cheap alternative to get you to 110 octane. I will have to agree that some aspects of are better for the environment than petrol. My argument against the environmental side is that we currently use corn. To produce corn on a scale large enough to meet a demand of this size you have to use chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. These lech into the ground water and contaminate the rivers and lakes and the water we drink. Giving a demand for additional production some new land will have to be cleared and converted to farm land furthering deforestation of the land. If we want to use ethanol we should be looking at switch grass that produces a much higher gallon per acre rate than corn.

I fully support alternatives to petroleum based fuel I just wish the government would let the technology and research decided what to use and not force the people to use something. Oil is by no means a perfect product, and I think we should be looking into LNG and biodiesel. Until then drill baby drill.
I don't doubt the chemicals used to produce it and I know very little about the subject. Just enough to open my mouth and learn from the responses.

Plenty of land in Detroit to harvest. But would not want the chemicals leaching into the river, might not mix well with all the dead bodies in there.
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This is all to push the electric car on the public...


Electric is the future..... Eventually. However, public acceptance won't increase without the economy of scale to bring the cost of an all electric vehicle to the sub $20,000 mark- the price point of a 'second car' or one that is mainly used for short trips.
Electric cars suck. I will ride a motorbike before I drive an electric car.

The first one I drove at work took me 2 minutes to find out I was in drive and the car was ready to go. I expected it to make a noise or something to tell me to push the skinny pedal. After the initial dumb wore off I took my foot off the brake and pushed the electric pedal and off I went, slowly but surely.

If anyone has one and it needs to go to the body shop the batteries do not like to be cooked like the paint does.
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I don't doubt the chemicals used to produce it and I know very little about the subject. Just enough to open my mouth and learn from the responses.

Plenty of land in Detroit to harvest. But would not want the chemicals leaching into the river, might not mix well with all the dead bodies in there.
Hmmmm.... ethanol powered zombies?




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