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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:50 AM   #21
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I'm Bipolar and am high function. I've never had the urge to shoot myself or others. Do you feel my Second Amendment rights should be withdrawn? That would be a bummer because I'm hoping to buy a home defense shotgun pretty soon and also a hand gun.
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yes i do. not because i fear that you personally will do anything bad but because you have to draw a line somewhere and you just happen to be on the wrong side of that line.
This is why all records need to be considered, criminal, medical, mental health, employment.

Nuggets is less likely to pose a threat than someone who has a history of going off meds, losing jobs, contact with the law, etc...

However, the MMA thing might be viewed as violent background.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:15 AM   #22
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I'm Bipolar and am high function. I've never had the urge to shoot myself or others. Do you feel my Second Amendment rights should be withdrawn? That would be a bummer because I'm hoping to buy a home defense shotgun pretty soon and also a hand gun.

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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:17 AM   #23
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:31 AM   #24
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I'm Bipolar and am high function. I've never had the urge to shoot myself or others. Do you feel my Second Amendment rights should be withdrawn? That would be a bummer because I'm hoping to buy a home defense shotgun pretty soon and also a hand gun.
Good question, one I can not answer.

My ex-wife's mother is Bi-polar, and she would scare the shit out of me with a gun.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:12 AM   #25
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:26 AM   #26
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The issue with the mental health enforcement is what do you consider a mental health issue or not? Obviously schizophrenia and multiple personality disorders fall on that list, but this notion now of people reporting on others for their mental health is straight out of a Salem Witch Trial story.

So say a man owns guns, his wife is killed in a tragic accident. He is having issues coping, all non-violent, but goes to a psychiatrist for someone to help sort his feelings. Is he now a mental health threat? Should his guns all be confiscated now?

As a teenager I was on a powerful acne medication called Acutane. It got some national attention when a congress woman's son committed suicide while on the drug. A major side effect of the drug was depression. I actually had the same issue, and was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13. Once this side effect was made more public, I was taken off and have had no issues since. Do any of you think this thing that happened 15 years ago as a result of a prescribed drug now prohibit me from owning firearms ever?

We live in a land where you are innocent until proven guilty. Now it seems we want to live in a land where because of a medical issue you are now guilty of a crime you have never committed.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:33 AM   #27
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The issue with the mental health enforcement is what do you consider a mental health issue or not? Obviously schizophrenia and multiple personality disorders fall on that list, but this notion now of people reporting on others for their mental health is straight out of a Salem Witch Trial story.

So say a man owns guns, his wife is killed in a tragic accident. He is having issues coping, all non-violent, but goes to a psychiatrist for someone to help sort his feelings. Is he now a mental health threat? Should his guns all be confiscated now?

As a teenager I was on a powerful acne medication called Acutane. It got some national attention when a congress woman's son committed suicide while on the drug. A major side effect of the drug was depression. I actually had the same issue, and was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13. Once this side effect was made more public, I was taken off and have had no issues since. Do any of you think this thing that happened 15 years ago as a result of a prescribed drug now prohibit me from owning firearms ever?

We live in a land where you are innocent until proven guilty. Now it seems we want to live in a land where because of a medical issue you are now guilty of a crime you have never committed.
That's why the entire picture needs to be looked at. Each of the mass murderers had several issues in their past that individually did not draw attention, but collectively paint a clearer picture.


Bottom line however, you cannot legislate morality or safety.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:36 AM   #28
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The issue with the mental health enforcement is what do you consider a mental health issue or not? Obviously schizophrenia and multiple personality disorders fall on that list, but this notion now of people reporting on others for their mental health is straight out of a Salem Witch Trial story.

So say a man owns guns, his wife is killed in a tragic accident. He is having issues coping, all non-violent, but goes to a psychiatrist for someone to help sort his feelings. Is he now a mental health threat? Should his guns all be confiscated now?

As a teenager I was on a powerful acne medication called Acutane. It got some national attention when a congress woman's son committed suicide while on the drug. A major side effect of the drug was depression. I actually had the same issue, and was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 13. Once this side effect was made more public, I was taken off and have had no issues since. Do any of you think this thing that happened 15 years ago as a result of a prescribed drug now prohibit me from owning firearms ever?

We live in a land where you are innocent until proven guilty. Now it seems we want to live in a land where because of a medical issue you are now guilty of a crime you have never committed.
Spot on.

We're very quickly jumping in the theory behind "Minority Report." The type of thinking surrounding a lot of this mental health regulation is to punish people before they even commit a crime. Any one of us is capable of snapping under severe pressure. Does that make every single one of us a threat?

It's a very very slippery slope.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:26 PM   #29
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The problem with mental health issues comes from some of the families not wanting to admit "Johnny has problems".

My stepson has been on nearly every one of those drugs on the list, so I did not bring firearms into the house until he was in supervised living. And that required him to physically attack someone to get placement.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:11 PM   #30
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This is why all records need to be considered, criminal, medical, mental health, employment.

Nuggets is less likely to pose a threat than someone who has a history of going off meds, losing jobs, contact with the law, etc...

However, the MMA thing might be viewed as violent background.
My bag now is self defense and I am respected in the martial arts community as being a father figure and a teacher. I have no history of violence, no convictions, no traffic tickets, no police involvement for being nutty, no spousal abuse issues, etc. I'm pretty dull in real life.

If I get denied, no big deal. I have a back up plan involving less than leathal force.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:19 PM   #31
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The problem with mental health issues comes from some of the families not wanting to admit "Johnny has problems".

My stepson has been on nearly every one of those drugs on the list, so I did not bring firearms into the house until he was in supervised living. And that required him to physically attack someone to get placement.
I'm kinda chummy with one of the local Sheriff's deputies and he did some investigation for me. He told me I shouldn't have a problem because I was never court ordered to stay in a mental hospital. They may want to get a review from my head doctor but I'm sure he will sign off because I've always been a good boy. I did my stay in the mental hospital due to some job related issues and trying to take care of my then dying mother. It became too much for me and I broke down. The mental hospital is where they figured out I'm bipolar and changed my meds around to correct that. Since then I've felt pretty good.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:31 PM   #32
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I'm kinda chummy with one of the local Sheriff's deputies and he did some investigation for me. He told me I shouldn't have a problem because I was never court ordered to stay in a mental hospital. They may want to get a review from my head doctor but I'm sure he will sign off because I've always been a good boy. I did my stay in the mental hospital due to some job related issues and trying to take care of my then dying mother. It became too much for me and I broke down. The mental hospital is where they figured out I'm bipolar and changed my meds around to correct that. Since then I've felt pretty good.
I give you much respect for both being upfront about something many prefer to hide, and for accomplishing what you have done in life.

My stepson was jerked around by his natural father, screwed over by the state mental health system, and drugged 7 ways from Sunday. His brain is so screwed there is little chance of him being able to live on his own.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 06:12 AM   #33
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I give you much respect for both being upfront about something many prefer to hide, and for accomplishing what you have done in life.

My stepson was jerked around by his natural father, screwed over by the state mental health system, and drugged 7 ways from Sunday. His brain is so screwed there is little chance of him being able to live on his own.
I refuse to be ashamed about something I have no control over.
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