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Old June 15th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #41
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I gotta ask, updates?
My progress on collecting dust has been awesome!

I've been running like crazy with my trucking business. Honestly I don't know when I'll get to it, but I will......eventually.
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Old October 5th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #42
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i have a couple of the oe grill guards,that bolt to the frame&bumper,they need a littlle tlc,the 'legs'that go under have rusted areas....I plan to do a 4bt swap in the j10 in my sig...some day!
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Old October 5th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #43
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i have a couple of the oe grill guards,that bolt to the frame&bumper,they need a littlle tlc,the 'legs'that go under have rusted areas....I plan to do a 4bt swap in the j10 in my sig...some day!
Cool. Thanks, but I won't be running a stock front bumper.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #44
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Okay, I am late to the party, but still Subscribing!

Any updates?

I've never heard of an A-Pump, just the P inline Pump and the VE rotatory style Pump.

Briefly, can you explain the difference of the A from the P style Injector Pumps?
What did the Cummins person tell you that caused you to sell A-Pump and use the VE Pump?
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Old December 6th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #45
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OK,

As for updates, I have been in part collecting mode and will start assembling in a few weeks so you'll see progress.

The A-pump was used in a few different applications. The best way to explain the one I had was that it was set for a quick throttle response, like idle to full throttle in two seconds, and changing it over to more of a graduated acceleration would require internal pump changes that could be very pricy. Plus I just knew nothing about the history of the motor. The VE motor I have I personally drove over 300 miles in the box truck, and it was extremely healthy, so I'm using it.

If the opportunity comes up where I can switch over the injection pump I may. But being the VE pump is more efficient anyways, I'll probably just keep it.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #46
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Alright, forward progress!

This project has been stale the last year, through the creation of a business and a divorce. It's been collecting dust but no longer!

The last few days I've been tearing into it like crazy, with the intention of getting it on the road quickly, as the occasional electrical gremlins of my XJ are driving me nuts.

I left the camera at the shop tonight, so tomorrow I'll start posting some pics. Plus there are some minor changes and upgrades coming that are going to make this project cooler yet!
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #47
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Cant wait to see this going. I think it is a very good idea, The wagoneer amc should have built
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #48
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After a year of dust collecting in the back room I pulled her out to the main shop floor.



And got to work removing the grille and headlights. I'd like to go with older J-truck look that's under the plastic grille, but I am probably going to be running an innercooler, which will most likely require cutting up the core support.



I removed the factory engine compartment wiring harness. It's in great shape, although quite greasy, and will probably be reused.



After considerable consideration I decided to remove the front clip from the Jeep, as it will be much easier for motor mount fabrication and engine placement. It was kind of a toss up, but I figured this was the easiest way. J-trucks have a lot of bolts holding that clip on! But fortunately this is southern truck so everything unbolted easily. I also removed the brake booster as I plan to upgrade to hydroboost, and everything else that isn't going to be used.



And I moved the truck around to my hoist and got it up in the air. The gas tank would always leak when I filled it, so I suspected rust. Plus there were four lines going to it! And I needed to figure out which lines if any would be reused. Well, it turned out that two of the lines were EVAP lines, one of which was busted at the tank. The tank itself turned out to be a later poly replacement inside the factory skid plate, so it will probably get reused, as the cracked line is an easy fix. I'll have to run all new lines for the Diesel, as they need to be larger, and run on the drivers side framerail.



The frame next to the gas tank on fullsize Cherokees and Grand Wagoneers is called the "coffin spot" commonly because it tends to trap dirt, mud, salt, and rot out the frame there. Removing the tank showed that the frame is in excellent shape!



When I removed the front clip I noticed the front body mount bushings were toast. Checking out the rest of the truck I found most were. Fortunately the body mounts, floors, etc. are in great shape so I ordered up a replacement set of bushings. After a liberal dousing with oil, 5 out of 6 of the body mount bolts turn in their space. The captured nut in the body is spinning. A quick net search proves this to be common on these, so I'll have to come up with a good way to remove/replace them. And the drivers side rear mount was the worse, although it was the only one that unbolted! The frame here rusted out at the corner, so that will require a patch.



So that's as far as I got for today. I will need to remove the interior to get to the top of the body mount bolts to access them. That's OK though, as I planned to replace the carpet with either liner or rubber mat in the future, I guess that time is now!
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #49
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Thank you. You mean the Cherokee AMC should have built
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #50
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Nice build, keep up the progress. I also like the look of the bumper. its cool you are making the project your own.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:24 PM   #51
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Your right, lol Very good work so far as always.
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i like the build. and you should have no problem using the old gladiator style grille set up. i have a 6bt cummins and an intercooler in this m715,

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Very cool Fabricator. What did you use for your innercooler?
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i like the build. and you should have no problem using the old gladiator style grille set up. i have a 6bt cummins and an intercooler in this m715,


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Very cool Fabricator. What did you use for your innercooler?
a 1st gen dodge cummins cooler fits in there nicely
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a 1st gen dodge cummins cooler fits in there nicely
Have a pic? I don't see it through the grille. How did you get it in front of the radiator? Mine also has A/C so there is a condenser in the way.
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i will see if i have a pic. you can see it through the grille though. some of the black paint is peeled off the cooler. the truck has a raw aluminum colored radiadtor in it. a/c is going to make it a tighter fit, but you should have alot more room with the 4bt. i also have a complete front header panel and chrome grille for a old gladiator truck if you need one.
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Considering selling
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I have decided to keep this Jeep and continue on with the progress. It has collected a lot of dust in the last few years, because I really didn't see a need for it.

Problem was in my mind it was too clean to wheel. The narrow track two doors are fairly rare, so I really didn't want to cut the fenders for bigger tires.

But now I have a need for this thing, although my initial plans have changed a bit. I no longer am planning to build this as a wheeler, but instead as a daily driver/long hauler for me to get to and from job sites.

I am now a commercial diver and currently need to travel for work, sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles away at the drop of a hat. I need something that is comfortable and great on gas. I thought about a car, but I haul tons of gear, and sometimes need 4x4 to get to the jobsite. And I like to travel in style

The gears started to turn in my head when I almost sold the stock axles, but the potential buyer needed to know the ratio. After popping the covers I discovered this Cherokee came with the fairly rare 2.73 gears. Some quick calculations showed that a torquey diesel with these gears and 31-32 inch tires would be right in the sweet spot for fuel efficient daily driving.

So...Here are a couple updates:

The VE pump motor was traded with some cash for a low mileage factory rebuilt P-pump 4bt. These things are hard to get, and the P-pump will allow me to burn used motor oil for fuel!

I sold the Chevy ARB bumper awhile back, so I'll either be putting the tubes back on, or buying or building something different. I really am not a fan of tube bumpers.

I don't think I'm going to go full repaint/resto at this time, both to save time and money, and also to get this on the road quickly. Instead I plan to build it, drive it, tune it in, and maybe in the future go the full resto route...maybe.

So the new plan is 4bt/manual trans/stock axles/31ish All terrain type tires.

I know it isn't as wild as my original ideas, but I think I'll be very happy with it, and being that my current DD is in need of some future TLC I'm putting some serious work into this right away!
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