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Old January 18th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #1
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Has anyone heard about a new Michigan senate bill to limit government control of of our gun rights in the state?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #2
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Got it in an email, have not read it yet.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #3
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http://www.misenategop.com/senators/...91&District=25


Dear Michigander:

In response to national threats against our second amendment rights, I have introduced Senate Bill 63 in the Michigan Senate to create the Michigan Firearms Freedom Act.

Our citizens have a right to protect themselves in their own homes and communities. Sadly, the proposals announced yesterday by President Obama would do little to address those concerns while weakening our Constitutional right to bear arms.

The Firearms Freedom Act, if passed into law, would send a clear message to Washington that the people of Michigan - not the federal government - will decide their own destiny. The act would reaffirm Michigan's right to regulate intrastate commerce, and clarify that firearms, firearm accessories, and ammunition produced, bought, and sold in Michigan will not be subject to federal overreach that would seek to impose new regulations and onerous mandates on states. This is not just a second amendment issue; it is also imperative that we rightfully defend our state's sovereignty as guaranteed in the tenth amendment.

Today, I am proud to stand with hardworking, law abiding Michiganders who rightfully own a gun. I hope you will join me in sending a message to the President and Congress that Michigan will defend what belongs to her.

Moving forward, we will engage in a serious conversation about real solutions that keep our communities safe without diminishing the integrity of our Constitution.

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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #4
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Sounds good but I'm sure there's a catch
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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #5
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There's also another. SB 59 I believe. Adding more legislation on top of federal legislation to prevent the distribution of names and addresses of CPL holders and registered gun owners.

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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:30 AM   #6
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Not saying there is, but it's politics. I hope this passes though.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #7
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Wyoming just did the same thing. I'm all for it.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #8
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #9
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This is not just a second amendment issue; it is also imperative that we rightfully defend our state's sovereignty as guaranteed in the tenth amendment.
Why has the federal government decided to completely disregard this part right here?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #10
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^^something about governing interstate trade and commerce.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:40 PM   #11
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Good but considering this state went Obama in the election I am worried about it passing.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #12
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Sounds like a deal to me. I'm sick of all this crap.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #13
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Even if this bill passes it is nothing more than symbolic, and IMO, is a waste of resources. As it is, there are no large scale firearms or ammunition manufacturers in the state. Any manufacturers that are in the state (or that could possibly move into the state) would be very unlikely to get all of their materials from other entirely Michigan manufacturers and limit all of their sales to only Michigan retailers who will only sell in Michigan and only to Michigan residents.

The federal Interstate Commerce Clause will still trump this.

Politicians should be spending their time doing things that will have an actual impact, but we know that will never happen.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #14
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Good but considering this state went Obama in the election I am worried about it passing.
That's the same thing folks thought about Prop2 and Right to Work. Flint, Saginaw and Detriot showed up for their guy on Nov. 2 that's all.

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Old January 18th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #15
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Even if this bill passes it is nothing more than symbolic, and IMO, is a waste of resources. As it is, there are no large scale firearms or ammunition manufacturers in the state. Any manufacturers that are in the state (or that could possibly move into the state) would be very unlikely to get all of their materials from other entirely Michigan manufacturers and limit all of their sales to only Michigan retailers who will only sell in Michigan and only to Michigan residents.

The federal Interstate Commerce Clause will still trump this.

Politicians should be spending their time doing things that will have an actual impact, but we know that will never happen.
Actually it wonít trump it. How the Feds will strong arm them is by withholding federal funds. Itís how the Feds have been strong arming States for decades to skirt around the 10th amendment.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #16
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Actually it wonít trump it. How the Feds will strong arm them is by withholding taxpayer funds. Itís how the Feds have been strong arming States for decades to skirt around the 10th amendment.
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