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Old January 17th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #21
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Yup. Plates for my motorhome are north of $600 / year.
That's because you have attained baller status.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #22
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That's because you have attained baller status.
It's all in priorities. I've seen guys drop $50-100/ wk on bowling leagues and think nothing of the fact that they piss away $2-3K a year. I worked with a guy who bowled twice a week year round but was appalled when I bought a pickup camper.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #23
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Generally I like Snyder and what he does but I am against this tax increase. There are other measures to have better roads. I see many projects of resurfacing and such that just don't need to be done but we all know how government projects work. Use the money or lose it next budget. For the past decade I have driven Northwestern and Telegraph daily. Two large project that were done to them in the past few years didn't need to be done. That's just the projects I pay attention too.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #24
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Down my way they are building a 5 mile + (?) by pass around a small town. This is on a two lane highway. This will include atleast one bridge.

There is no congestion.

I'm thinking they can't maintain the roads now, why add more?
Yeah, that whole thing is a huge waste of $$$ and destroying a large amount of peaceful river frontage!
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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #25
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I'm against more taxes, but I'm pretty sure michigan is actually on the cheap side when it comes to cost of living for states that have large metro areas. Think Illinois, New York or California.

**cost of living as in auto fees (not only insurance) registrations, gas taxes, etc

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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #26
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Toll Roads.
No. Toll roads suck.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #27
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No. Toll roads suck.
Not as much since the invention of the I pass system.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:13 PM   #28
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We have the 6th highest gas tax in the country and that was raised by aunt Jennie so that the roads could get fixxed. What happened with that? The roads still suck and now we are looking at another tax hike to fix the roads!?!
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #29
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We have the 6th highest gas tax in the country and that was raised by aunt Jennie so that the roads could get fixxed. What happened with that? The roads still suck and now we are looking at another tax hike to fix the roads!?!
Less people paying taxes in general, less people buying less fuel means the hike in tax may not have generated any more revenue.
Loss of jobs = less tax revenue, more people leaving the state to find work = less tax revenue. Simple math, the money has to come from somewhere or better yet, we just don't spend it at all and let some stuff go to hell.
We can get buy if the roads get worse, honestly, we can.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #30
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Oh the irony of a 4x4 forum bitching about bad roads.....
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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #31
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I thought Snyder was ok at first. Almost always voted dem. Took a chance and voted for Snyder. At first he was ok but now wtf. I think I'd rather have Jenny from Canada back.
NO WAY! Keep that psyhco (Jenny) as far away from our state as humanly possible.

Reason: The Mole!

Snyder's getting an official WTF here too.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #32
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What the point of good roads when no one has a job to go to? Dumbass.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:08 PM   #33
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If you listened to the details he gave it makes sense. If we wait and do nothing it would cost an additional $15B. He is proposing how to fix them now before they are completely destroyed and save $15B in the process. Do I want higher fuel tax and higher registration? No. Do I want better roads? Yes.

I agree with Ford Flareside. The engineering that is mandated by the state currently is bullshit. They require outdated technology standards for road construction. Why? The road construction lobby has spent MILLIONS keeping the state from requiring better roads be built. Why? Unions. If roads have to be rebuilt every 5-7 years, the unions get more members, more dues, more money in their own pockets. There is technology out there to build roads that will last 20-30 years before needing major repair. We just can't use it because the unions have bought the state legislature in the past. Roads in the UK don't fall apart in 5-7 years. They start the road surface 8' below grade in some instances. We start maybe 24" deep? And we wonder why the roads crumble. Don't forget the gravel trains that carry WAY more than the roads can handle... It is all political bullshit. They need to fix that before we waste more money "fixing" them the same way all over again.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #34
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Michigan also has some of, if not the highest ag and commercial trucking weight limits in the usa.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 09:42 AM   #35
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An idiot friend of a cousin posted a citation he received on facebook for $7500 for running overloaded. He got caught on a random DOT check at 125000 lbs. there is no way to build a road that will withstand that kind of abuse

Most of the comments were about how the ticket was bullshit and cops suck.

Besides that there is no rock under the surface in most of michigan. The roads are built on mush.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #36
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I'm assuming it costs less to maintain a dirt road than a clean road. They should convert some of the terrible paved roads I've seen with very little traffic back to dirt instead of patching it and wasting money on something that virtually gets zero traffic.

I one or two cent gas tax would generate a lot of money towards fixing roads. I-69 has always been terrible.

I also feel like they don't need as many roads as they have... very little traffic on I475, just make them route around flint... but it's already there.

X2 on lowering welfare. Just found out a buddy is just living on unemployment because he doesn't feel like finding a job. Fucker.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #37
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The state has already changed the way some rural roads are being surfaced. One example is Riley Center road in Riley twp south of I 69. In the past the resurfacing consistent of grinding the top off the road, laying a coat of blacktop, and laying a layer of gravel on top and pressing it in.

This past summer the resurfacing consisted of no grinding, leveling a layer of gravel, and pouring what amounts to a layer of adhesive on top of the gravel.

The result is basically a durable, slightly rough gravel road that does not need to graded. There were articles on the papers 6-8 years ago that they were going start doing it differently to save money
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #38
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They did some of the roads in Kalamazoo that way. They ended up with tire grooves in the rd over 3" deep and you felt like you were driving on a track. The fix the following yr lasted about 2 months and the grooves came back. The roads were almost impossible to drive when it rained because you were hydroplaning the entire time. Good part was that the grooves didn't really allow you to go out of control. Pretty much didn't have to use the steering wheel.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #39
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Oh the irony of a 4x4 forum bitching about bad roads.....
Not all of us daily drive clapped out ford f150's with 400,000 miles on them. Besides my Jeep has enough of a struggle to keep its parts attached to it. Rough freeways at 65mph wont make it any better.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #40
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roads are simple, STOP writing a contract with the company that builds the roads to FIX the roads... retards...
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