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Old January 12th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #161
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It's my personal observation that many people that insist on carrying a gun everywhere they go are not really carrying the gun for personal protection as much as they like/need/crave the feeling of power it gives them. Since these people are beta types, if they do not have their gun, they are now intimidated by those that surround them. Onceagain, just my personal observation.
Funny, I have observed exactly what you are talking about with people who "train" in some sort of martial arts. They usually enjoy talking about it quite often too...
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Old January 13th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #162
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Old January 13th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #163
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Old January 13th, 2013, 09:28 AM   #164
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Funny, I have observed exactly what you are talking about with people who "train" in some sort of martial arts. They usually enjoy talking about it quite often too...

Yup, it kinda sounds like "I'm a tough guy and if anybody messes with me I'll just kick their ass".

For the record, 40 years ago I trained at least twice a week for years. Been there done that. I know for a fact I would lose a gun fight.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #165
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Funny, I have observed exactly what you are talking about with people who "train" in some sort of martial arts. They usually enjoy talking about it quite often too...
Hahahahaha! Ya, I do talk about it a lot and I do enjoy training. I also am very confident when I when I am in a souring situation. The big difference is that nobody can make me leave my "protection" in the car or at home. The difference between hand to hand self defense and using a weapon is that I've trained for many years to get my confidence where it is today verses dropping $500 for a gun and being all set.

In reflecting your statement, I was at one time a total puss. I got picked on and intimidated often so I decided to put an end to it. Over the years I transformed from a beta to an alpha personality. Suprisingly, I'm not an aggressive individual or a bully, as long as I'm not being threatened. I've never started a fight in my life but I've ended a few.

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Old January 13th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #166
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I did not read the rest because the fact of the matter is I have my own opinion to why you're whining.
I will continue to respect peoples business rules to enjoy offroading.

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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:03 AM   #167
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Yup, it kinda sounds like "I'm a tough guy and if anybody messes with me I'll just kick their ass".

For the record, 40 years ago I trained at least twice a week for years. Been there done that. I know for a fact I would lose a gun fight.
I'm not a tough guy and if you were to meet me, you would never know I train. Self defense (notice I did not say martial arts) is a very interesting subject for me and I like to talk about it. If you review what I've posted about self defense, I'm not bragging I can kick anybody's ass (I can't) but instead offering suggestions to those that might be interested. People talk about guns on this site all the time and they are not considered tough guys so why would those of us that have alternative self defense options beconsidered "tough"? Also, I fully realize my fist verses a gun is not going to end up in my favor, I've never made that claim.

Sheesh, I was just having a conversation, I think I struck a chord with a few people (Does the shoe fit?)
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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:14 AM   #168
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It's my personal observation that many people that insist on carrying a gun everywhere they go are not really carrying the gun for personal protection as much as they like/need/crave the feeling of power it gives them. Since these people are beta types, if they do not have their gun, they are now intimidated by those that surround them. Onceagain, just my personal observation.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #169
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The plural of anecdote is not data
That's why it's my personal observation and opinion and not claimed as a representative sample of gun owners in general.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 12:01 PM   #170
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That's why it's my personal observation and opinion and not claimed as a representative sample of gun owners in general.
When you base opinion on anecdote you by default convert it to data. The fallacy is a hasty generalization.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 12:07 PM   #171
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I'm not a tough guy and if you were to meet me, you would never know I train. Self defense (notice I did not say martial arts) is a very interesting subject for me and I like to talk about it. If you review what I've posted about self defense, I'm not bragging I can kick anybody's ass (I can't) but instead offering suggestions to those that might be interested. People talk about guns on this site all the time and they are not considered tough guys so why would those of us that have alternative self defense options beconsidered "tough"? Also, I fully realize my fist verses a gun is not going to end up in my favor, I've never made that claim.

Sheesh, I was just having a conversation, I think I struck a chord with a few people (Does the shoe fit?)
I am not ignorant enough to think having a tool such as a firearm make me safe. However, training on both the use of a firearm and self defense tactics will help. I just understand that if attacked by someone with a weapon I would rather have one also.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #172
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Hahaha, you're still a f@#* tard, and banned for life.
The reason the rule is in place is 100% because of you jack ass.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:17 PM   #173
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I am not ignorant enough to think having a tool such as a firearm make me safe. However, training on both the use of a firearm and self defense tactics will help. I just understand that if attacked by someone with a weapon I would rather have one also.
As would I.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #174
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When you base opinion on anecdote you by default convert it to data. The fallacy is a hasty generalization.
My opinion is not on anecdotal evidence (as told by someone else), my opionion is based on personal observation and conversations with those who admit to the feeling of power and control. If you have evidence to refute my statement, I will gladly rescend my comment, unfortunatly, you are probably aware that I am correct. Why wouln't I be? A gun does give one the feeling of power and security, just some people require it all all times, others don't. I'm considering a hand gun. Why? Because I feel threatened by the way things are changing in this country. Would I get butthurt because a privatly owned offroad park says I can't have a gun on their property? No, because I have a backup plan should something go wrong if I don't have my weapon on me. Am I invincible without a weapon? Hell no! I at least I hava an increased chance of survival because I've taken the time to learn how to.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #175
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Hahaha, you're still a f@#* tard, and banned for life.
The reason the rule is in place is 100% because of you jack ass.

Are you saying the no firearms rule was put in place because of dumbass?
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Are you saying the no firearms rule was put in place because of dumbass?
My guess is yes.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:38 PM   #177
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Hahaha, you're still a f@#* tard, and banned for life.
The reason the rule is in place is 100% because of you jack ass.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #178
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My opinion is not on anecdotal evidence (as told by someone else), my opionion is based on personal observation and conversations with those who admit to the feeling of power and control. If you have evidence to refute my statement, I will gladly rescend my comment, unfortunatly, you are probably aware that I am correct. Why wouln't I be? A gun does give one the feeling of power and security, just some people require it all all times, others don't. I'm considering a hand gun. Why? Because I feel threatened by the way things are changing in this country. Would I get butthurt because a privatly owned offroad park says I can't have a gun on their property? No, because I have a backup plan should something go wrong if I don't have my weapon on me. Am I invincible without a weapon? Hell no! I at least I hava an increased chance of survival because I've taken the time to learn how to.
If you do not understand that your own casual observations are indeed anecdote, I am wasting my time.

Anyway, the OP has a just as much right to express displeasure (and "get all butt hurt") with the policy as the private property owner has to create it. That seems to be lost on a staggering number here.

Ever heard the concept of voting with your wallet? Thats all the OP was suggesting here, thank you free market.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #179
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If you do not understand that your own casual observations are indeed anecdote, I am wasting my time.

Anyway, the OP has a just as much right to express displeasure (and "get all butt hurt") with the policy as the private property owner has to create it. That seems to be lost on a staggering number here.

Ever heard the concept of voting with your wallet? Thats all the OP was suggesting here, thank you free market.
And you don't understand how anecdotal evidence is just that, evidence. You can't completly discredit my argument simply by saying it isn't true because I have observed it. In fact, many have observed this behavior because it is part of the human condition. Now if you want to go get your big boy pants on and debate this topic intellegently, I'm game. Before you come back, make sure you understand the difference between a hypothesis, theory, and a fact. Without that understanding I might as well debate this subject with my dog.

As far as "voting with your wallet", I support that, however, there is no reason to get "butthurt" about the owner of a private property making any rule they desire. The owner of the property has made a calculated decision about the No Gun rule and how it will effect his revenue stream. They have decided that any loss of revenue from the rule will be made up by not suffering losses due to poor firearms discipline or worse. If a person is that concerned about being assulted at an offroad park that they MUST carry a gun, it is probably in their best interest to avoid park of concern all together (a win/win for all involved).

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