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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #41
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Wow, the amount of false security in here is disgusting.

I bet most of you have children and make them wear a helmet when on their bicycle, correct? Oh wait no, probably not because they haven't fell yet! So they never will fall!
No helmet . I fell off my skateboard for over 25 years and I'm still ok. And If your not falling your not trying in skating.
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Wow, the amount of false security in here is disgusting.

I bet most of you have children and make them wear a helmet when on their bicycle, correct? Oh wait no, probably not because they haven't fell yet! So they never will fall!
Wow, the amount of inability to understand the probability of an event is amazing.

32 years of not needing to pull a gun on ANYONE or ever discharge a bullet ever.

32 years of wearing a bike helmet, a snowboard helmet, and a seatbelt. More than one car accident. More than one bike accident (probably hundreds), more than once hitting my head snowboarding (probably 100 the day I learned).....

do the math retard. Needing to pull your weapon is like getting hit by lightning.

ONCE in my life i witnessed a punk teenager steal an older woman's purse at the grocery store, would me pulling my weapon have done anygood? No. Not at all.



I 100% back the second ammendment, but like disorderxj I have no idea why people think they need to carry 100% of the time or why they can't leave the gun at home once in a while. The odds are incredibly slim.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:32 AM   #43
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You don't really 'need' to. But, if you have a CPL because you want to be able to defend yourself, you tend to get in the habit of carrying so that it becomes natural. You can always spot a conceal carry noob because they are adjusting the gun or just touching it to be sure it's in the right position, or just walking different because that $150 shoulder holster don't fit right...

After a while of carrying ,it becomes more natural and you don't stick out. My wife can't even tell when I have mine anymore. (That's right, I don't carry 'everywhere')
that I get and understand.

quick question for you. do you feel completely uneasy when you don't have it? like near panic?

when something becomes that natural, say a wedding band, a watch, a cellphone or a wallet I've seen people freak the fukc out when they don't have it with them.

and that too may be another reason for folks to understand why someone would be irate at encountering a business that won't let them carry something that has become a part of them.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:32 AM   #44
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I respect Bundys stance on the issue. I personally don't think there will be any gun violence in an offroad park. Seems like it's a pretty tight community and everybody SEEMS all there. If you carry everywhere, maybe in your vehicle and not on you, why not be able to keep it in a locked vehicle in the parking lot? Like previously stated, you never know what is going to happen on your way to the park. ie: stop for gas and get robbed at gunpoint? Anything can happen. So having to leave your pistol at home for a day trip to Bundy? Hmm I don't know about that one.

It's like my mama always says, ''better safe than-than sorry''
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I plead the 5th

I know its better to be prepared than not prepared. My only point is its pretty unlikely you will need it.
In general, or at an off-road park?


I once thought the same.
I do not make it a point to constantly carry, but I occasionally do carry. Once, I carried. I pulled my weapon. I did not fire a shot. I then resumed business as usual. I've not 'used' my weapon since, although on occasion I don't have it.

I do not believe the false sense of security a weapon will gve others.
I support the right to carry. I support those who don't carry. I support those who protest and question policies they don't agree with.

I don't think myself better than anyone else for not trusting the society in which I live, like some people on this board. I don't bash others because you carry a gun, or not.

Lack of preparedness is what causes personal tragedy, in the sense of safety, finances, nutrition, or health. Keep bashing others for thier belief, I bet you got something that you believe in and are 'odd' for having said belief. Are you bashed for it? Probably not, so STFU.

Thumbs-up for the heavy usage of the word 'bash' within my response.

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that I get and understand.

quick question for you. do you feel completely uneasy when you don't have it? like near panic?

when something becomes that natural, say a wedding band, a watch, a cellphone or a wallet I've seen people freak the fukc out when they don't have it with them.

and that too may be another reason for folks to understand why someone would be irate at encountering a business that won't let them carry something that has become a part of them.
No, no panic. I carry depending on where I am going. If I have business in Detroit, I carry. If I am going to my neighbor's house for a beer, no. Although I do carry when I go to my mother's house, but only because my cousin is there and it bothers him.
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or, much like any other risk-assessment decision that happens informally, we have some idea of the statistics based on where we live, work and play?

like driving in weather that would have kept our parents home?
like speeding?
like flying?
like drinking the milk a day past the due date?
Agreed, its up to you and I to decide which risks we are willing to take, I personally take tons of possibly life threatening risks, but if something happens to me it was my fault for being dumb. I would like to minimize the risk of my family or loved ones being killed or injured by the hand of a drug attic (or you favorite bad guy) because he made the mistake in thinking my wallet has any money in it haha.
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No helmet . I fell off my skateboard for over 25 years and I'm still ok. And If your not falling your not trying in skating.
I agree sir completely I bmx and of course with no helmet, but when I fukc up its me that fucked me up. Not the crack head that wants my bike.
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I don't carry everyday everywhere. I dot panic when I don't have it or feel uneasy. I know that sometimes for whatever reason we all make a choice that could alter our life or another's permanently. We make that choice for whatever reason and live with what happens. The key is I make that choice not you or a business or the government. That is what freedom means. Remember land of the free home of the brave? Maybe CNN brainwashed you guys.
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I 100% back the second ammendment, but like disorderxj I have no idea why people think they need to carry 100% of the time or why they can't leave the gun at home once in a while. The odds are incredibly slim.

Analogy:

I've never been in a car accident, but I buckle up everytime I am in a car.

I've never had a flat tire, but I make sure my spare is aired up and I have the tools to change it.


I don't do things other people consider necessary (like wear a helmet when I snowboard, using your example), and vice versa, but to each their own.

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Analogy:

I've never been in a car accident, but I buckle up everytime I am in a car.

I've never had a flat tire, but I make sure my spare is aired up and I have the tools to change it.


I don't do things other people consider necessary (like wear a helmet when I snowboard, using your example), and vice versa, but to each their own.
Analogy.

It is law to wear a seatbelt. It is not law to carry a weapon.

It is much more likely you will get a flat tire than you will get killed by a random bad guy. How many roadside flats or times have you needed to get a flat repaired? I would venture I have had at least 50 flats repaired through out the years.

It is much more likley you will get a headache snowboarding then it is you will get killed by a bad guy. Again, I can recall multiple concussions both with and without a helmet.

Statistics, you should take a class in them before making such statements.

I probably don't need to wear a helmet snowboarding anymore now that I stay out of the park and the jumps, but to be a good example for my kids I wear one, that and its actually warm and comfy.

I am not arguing you should not carry, I am not arguing that at all. I am simply arguing that the things you guys carry for are FAR more unlikely to happen then the examples you try to use to prove why you must carry.
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Wow, the amount of inability to understand the probability of an event is amazing.

32 years of not needing to pull a gun on ANYONE or ever discharge a bullet ever.

32 years of wearing a bike helmet, a snowboard helmet, and a seatbelt. More than one car accident. More than one bike accident (probably hundreds), more than once hitting my head snowboarding (probably 100 the day I learned).....

do the math retard. Needing to pull your weapon is like getting hit by lightning.

ONCE in my life i witnessed a punk teenager steal an older woman's purse at the grocery store, would me pulling my weapon have done anygood? No. Not at all.



I 100% back the second ammendment, but like disorderxj I have no idea why people think they need to carry 100% of the time or why they can't leave the gun at home once in a while. The odds are incredibly slim.
I agree it is a slim chance I will ever need to use it, and like most of us who carry hope we never have to but I rather not take that chance.

I may not have 32 years of bmx falls only 25 years (more like 15 any who) all of were without helmet and don't plan on starting. But the percent of needing it vs not is irreverent jerky, hell you have a better chance of getting hit buy lightning than winning the lottery, but look how many people play that daily.\

I carry as much as possible, but if a place doesn't allow it i'm not going to have a shit fit, I respect the owners wishes and remove the pistol. Granted a sign has now say so, the owner has to tell you directly, but I'm not that anal.
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I don't carry everyday everywhere. I dot panic when I don't have it or feel uneasy. I know that sometimes for whatever reason we all make a choice that could alter our life or another's permanently. We make that choice for whatever reason and live with what happens. The key is I make that choice not you or a business or the government. That is what freedom means. Remember land of the free home of the brave? Maybe CNN brainwashed you guys.
you make the choice of whether or not your airplane takes off, or lands? or if it lands on your highway or house?

you make the choice of another driver having not performed maintenance on their vehicle which results in them crashing into yours, or hopping the sidewalk you were standing on?

you make the choice of whether or not your surgeon has scrubbed in properly, or got enough sleep?

you make the choice of whether or not your sexual partner is stepping out on your, or hiding an intravenous drug habit?

you make the choice of whether or not a tornado rips through your neighborhood?



my point in all of the above, as it was earlier in this thread, is that there are risks for each and everything we do and don't do in life. whether it's eating right, exercising or practicing proper oral hygiene.

you have a helluva lot less control over it than you think, and aside from a couple of dozen astronauts none of uf get off this planet alive. period. it's only a matter of how and when.

some folks are fixated on the possibility that the how/when may be via violence at the hands of another. that's their/your prerogative, but at least be realistic about how little control you have over things. especially if you are anywhere near an automobile as last I looked vehicle related deaths and injuries still exceed death by other violence.
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Odds you will be injured by a toilet this year: 1 in 10,000
Odds of dying on a bicycle: 1 in 4472
Odds of dying in a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of a non-felon being murdered with a gun: 1 in 500,000

Odds are you should stop shitting, never ride a bike, and stop drving, long before a non felon should venture out of the house with out his weapon.
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I agree it is a slim chance I will ever need to use it, and like most of us who carry hope we never have to but I rather not take that chance.

I may not have 32 years of bmx falls only 25 years (more like 15 any who) all of were without helmet and don't plan on starting. But the percent of needing it vs not is irreverent jerky, hell you have a better chance of getting hit buy lightning than winning the lottery, but look how many people play that daily.\

I carry as much as possible, but if a place doesn't allow it i'm not going to have a shit fit, I respect the owners wishes and remove the pistol. Granted a sign has now say so, the owner has to tell you directly, but I'm not that anal.
I have no problem with that. Just understand that your odds of getting injured or dying on the bike are much greater than the odds are you will need to use your gun.

Lottery is a tax on the stupid we all know that.
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There are all sorts of these discussions on the gun forums. disclaimer; I have no legal expertise.
If you feel the need to carry to and from a location, then do so. If you are going to a place that does not want weapons on their property, you have a few options.
1) you comply
2) don't comply. In reality, they can't press charges, they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, then they can press charges.
3) Convert to transport mode and lock your weapon, unloaded out of site.
4) Leave it locked in transport mode in your tow rig, if you have one.
5) Keep your mouth shut and don't ask these types of questions on an open forum.

Personally, I feel that if a person feels they have the need to carry while in transit, it would be nice if a place of business like BH would changed their policy to "no loaded firearms". Then a person could unload, lock up and be fine.

Do I carry all the time? No, probably less than 50% of the time. Do I like to carry when away from home where being broken down could land me in an uncomfortable situation? Yes.
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Odds you will be injured by a toilet this year: 1 in 10,000
Odds of dying on a bicycle: 1 in 4472
Odds of dying in a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of a non-felon being murdered with a gun: 1 in 500,000

Odds are you should stop shitting, never ride a bike, and stop drving, long before a non felon should venture out of the house with out his weapon.
Please make this point to your congresmen and senators.
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Odds you will be injured by a toilet this year: 1 in 10,000
Odds of dying on a bicycle: 1 in 4472
Odds of dying in a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of a non-felon being murdered with a gun: 1 in 500,000

Odds are you should stop shitting, never ride a bike, and stop drving, long before a non felon should venture out of the house with out his weapon.


If the odds of being murdered by a gun are that high why is the government trying to restrict what we can own. Maybe they should look at those stats and focuse on one that is more likly to kill more innocent people.
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There are all sorts of these discussions on the gun forums. disclaimer; I have no legal expertise.
If you feel the need to carry to and from a location, then do so. If you are going to a place that does not want weapons on their property, you have a few options.
1) you comply
2) don't comply. In reality, they can't press charges, they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, then they can press charges.
3) Convert to transport mode and lock your weapon, unloaded out of site.
4) Leave it locked in transport mode in your tow rig, if you have one.
5) Keep your mouth shut and don't ask these types of questions on an open forum.

Personally, I feel that if a person feels they have the need to carry while in transit, it would be nice if a place of business like BH would changed their policy to "no loaded firearms". Then a person could unload, lock up and be fine.

Do I carry all the time? No, probably less than 50% of the time. Do I like to carry when away from home where being broken down could land me in an uncomfortable situation? Yes.
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Already have :) I am 100% in with the fight for our rights.

FYI I don't know the validity of those numbers they came off a quick google search but I would guess they are fairly solid.
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If the odds of being murdered by a gun are that high why is the government trying to restrict what we can own. Maybe they should look at those stats and focuse on one that is more likly to kill more innocent people.
Don't tell me, tell the libtards and our government.

Notice it said NON FELON.

I also would venture a guess that most Felon's who are murdered are likely murdered by an illegally owned firearm.
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