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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #21
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Go with a 9mm just for ammo price. IMO, on full-size handguns you can feel a difference between 9mm, .40, and .45 but it's not large enough to become an accuracy issue. That's just from my experience. I can feel the difference between 9mm and 9mm +P in my XDM, or my M&P40c and M&P9c, but virtually has no affect on my accuracy.

I also believe that starting with less powerful rounds allows you to get the fundamentals down without developing bad habits like anticipating recoil.

.380 is pointless if you're getting a full size service pistol. The only benefit of .380 is to have a small very comfortable carry gun. Although with Springfield's introduction of the XDS, .380 might be an outgoing fad.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #22
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Go with a 9mm just for ammo price. IMO, on full-size handguns you can feel a difference between 9mm, .40, and .45 but it's not large enough to become an accuracy issue. That's just from my experience. I can feel the difference between 9mm and 9mm +P in my XDM, or my M&P40c and M&P9c, but virtually has no affect on my accuracy.

I also believe that starting with less powerful rounds allows you to get the fundamentals down without developing bad habits like anticipating recoil.

.380 is pointless if you're getting a full size service pistol. The only benefit of .380 is to have a small very comfortable carry gun. Although with Springfield's introduction of the XDS, .380 might be an outgoing fad.
false...the .40cal has alot more "pop" and muzzle jump than a 9mm, and muzzle jump does have an effect on accuracy. He said he is planning on going to the police academy. It has been proven time in and time out it is easier to qualify with the 9mm than the .40cal. Training and marksmanships skills will help overcome the "pop" and jump the .40 has but why make things harder on yourself. Go with what will get you through with the least amount of trouble.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #23
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false...the .40cal has alot more "pop" and muzzle jump than a 9mm, and muzzle jump does have an effect on accuracy. He said he is planning on going to the police academy. It has been proven time in and time out it is easier to qualify with the 9mm than the .40cal. Training and marksmanships skills will help overcome the "pop" and jump the .40 has but why make things harder on yourself. Go with what will get you through with the least amount of trouble.
I agree with you, there is a difference. Maybe over a large majority of people qualifying between the two different calibers there is a difference.

Between me shooting all different calibers in large frame guns, there is no discernable difference in MY shooting. For others, the same may not hold true.
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I agree with you, there is a difference. Maybe over a large majority of people qualifying between the two different calibers there is a difference.

Between me shooting all different calibers in large frame guns, there is no discernable difference in MY shooting. For others, the same may not hold true.
Put yourself on a shot timer, and you will find that you are slower on the more powerful guns.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #25
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Put yourself on a shot timer, and you will find that you are slower on the more powerful guns.
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any police academy...if you are pre-service that is
Huh.. KVCC seems to disagree.
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x a billion on the 9mm>.380
You can conceal most full size hand guns comfortably and out of sight, it's all about the holster IMO. I'm more concerned with carrying a piece I am comfortable protecting myself with in a life or death situation than if it's cute and fits in your girlfriend's purse.
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Put yourself on a shot timer, and you will find that you are slower on the more powerful guns.
Oh I have no doubt under rapid fire that I would be slower with more powerful guns. When I was talking about my accuracy, I was talking more of just target shooting, not necessarily rapid fire.

But yes, a .22 handgun compared to my .357 Ruger LCR, there is a huge difference.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 11:01 AM   #29
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Huh.. KVCC seems to disagree.
really..kvcc issues pre-service sidearms huh? what kind?
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really..kvcc issues pre-service sidearms huh? what kind?
They issue red guns, pistols are used for range time only iirc
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They issue red guns, pistols are used for range time only iirc
ya, but they supply the pistols? MSP and Detroit are the only ones that I knew of doing that
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ya, but they supply the pistols? MSP and Detroit are the only ones that I knew of doing that
Yes, they have an armory of pistols that are used for quals.
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Yes, they have an armory of pistols that are used for quals.
then do they supply all the duty gear as well?
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then do they supply all the duty gear as well?
Just pistols iirc. It's been 10 years, not sure how they do things now.
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