CheapThrills "Fawk Yeah buggy" build - Page 19 - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Rig Builds and Pics
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

Rig Builds and Pics Introduce your rig or post a buildup here.

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #361
liv2mx
i like jungle gym's.
 
liv2mx's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: silver lake and up in the air building america
Posts: 11,227
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Default

make sure the distance from your left upper and right lower is the same from front to back.does not look like it is.
liv2mx is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #362
Bones
skillicous
 
Bones's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Dearborn Heights, MI
Posts: 11,480
iTrader: (37)
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Bones
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2mx View Post
make sure the distance from your left upper and right lower is the same from front to back.does not look like it is.
do you mean upper and lower link seperation? I always like to have difference in the seperation, ususally I aim for 8-9" seperation on the axle and 6-7" seperation on the chassis.

edit- as far as triangulation in the links, I aim for atleast 30deg of triangulation. So for example, if your lowers are straight and parallel to each other, the uppers need to have 30deg triangulation in relation to the lowers. Or, your lowers can have a 10 deg difference to easch other (10 degrees non-parallel), then your uppers canhave a 20 deg difference to each other (combines for 30 deg).
__________________
Inviscid Motorsports

Special Thanks and Recommendations to;
Motorcity Machines
Ironman Offroad
Branik Motorsports
Maxxis Tires

Raceline Wheels
PAC Racing Springs
Joint Clutch and Gear

Last edited by Bones; December 25th, 2012 at 05:12 PM.
Bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #363
CheapThrillB2
FAWK YEAH!!
 
CheapThrillB2's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-06
Location: Middleville, MI
Posts: 31,204
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grassman View Post
Don't feel bad, I haven't a clue what that stuff means. Tutorial Brandon?
I just got off the phone with trying to edumicate me
CheapThrillB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #364
Grassman
RFK
 
Grassman's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-10-08
Location: Belmont, Mi
Posts: 18,720
iTrader: (16)
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Default

Do you feel smarter?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1 ton tj on 40's View Post
every circle needs a pivot man
Grassman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #365
CheapThrillB2
FAWK YEAH!!
 
CheapThrillB2's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-06
Location: Middleville, MI
Posts: 31,204
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

A bit better understanding, yes.
CheapThrillB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #366
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #367
liv2mx
i like jungle gym's.
 
liv2mx's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: silver lake and up in the air building america
Posts: 11,227
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones View Post
do you mean upper and lower link seperation? I always like to have difference in the seperation, ususally I aim for 8-9" seperation on the axle and 6-7" seperation on the chassis.

edit- as far as triangulation in the links, I aim for atleast 30deg of triangulation. So for example, if your lowers are straight and parallel to each other, the uppers need to have 30deg triangulation in relation to the lowers. Or, your lowers can have a 10 deg difference to easch other (10 degrees non-parallel), then your uppers canhave a 20 deg difference to each other (combines for 30 deg).
not talking seperation, but yea 5 to 7 on frame 8 to 10 on axle for seperation.
it's hard to explain.but if you stand at the back and look at the left upper bar and right lower bar.they need to be as close as you can get them to the same distance from the front mounts on the frame to the rear mounts on the axle.so your rear 4 link bars will be like 2 box's. this is very important.

from the picture it looks like your upper axle mounts on the truss,could come in closer.
liv2mx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:30 PM   #368
liv2mx
i like jungle gym's.
 
liv2mx's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: silver lake and up in the air building america
Posts: 11,227
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Default

i showed brandon at the badlands what i mean.
liv2mx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #369
CheapThrillB2
FAWK YEAH!!
 
CheapThrillB2's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-06
Location: Middleville, MI
Posts: 31,204
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

I need to bite the bullet and buy excel
CheapThrillB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #370
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Triangulation in the uppers and lowers as layed out. Again, I'm just doing the numbers, I'm no expert.
9.6 x 2=19.2 deg in the uppers, 8.4 x 2 = 16.8 deg in the lowers. So 36 deg of triangulation.


Erin, I layed mine out like you talked about and my roll steer got worse. On Johns above it's 24 at the frame and 25 at the axle so they're within an inch of "parallel" The roll axis goes from -.9 to -.5 if I bring the lower axle side in to 17 and make it 24 and 24 but the triangulation goes from 36deg down to 33 deg. Bones default was min 30 so they both qualify, I'm not sure what effect it would have with the lowers at 36" separation at the axle vs 34".
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #371
CheapThrillB2
FAWK YEAH!!
 
CheapThrillB2's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-06
Location: Middleville, MI
Posts: 31,204
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

I found an product key that works
CheapThrillB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #372
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapThrillB2 View Post
I need to bite the bullet and buy excel
I think there's a web based version that still works in the link on pirate so you wouldn't have to buy excel.
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #373
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapThrillB2 View Post
I found an product key that works
Nice
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #374
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

I should be able to look at it in person in a few days hopefully.
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #375
Grassman
RFK
 
Grassman's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-10-08
Location: Belmont, Mi
Posts: 18,720
iTrader: (16)
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Default

I want to meet you there, hopefully I can learn a thing or 2...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1 ton tj on 40's View Post
every circle needs a pivot man
Grassman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #376
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

I don't know much more than the thread I read and a couple conversations with 95geo about doing mine. I'm just the guy putting stuff into excel. Hopefully more people will chime in and we can all learn something about it.
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #377
Grassman
RFK
 
Grassman's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-10-08
Location: Belmont, Mi
Posts: 18,720
iTrader: (16)
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Default

You could show us what all that paper shit is in real world application
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1 ton tj on 40's View Post
every circle needs a pivot man
Grassman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #378
s.hembree
Senior Member
 
s.hembree's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-16-07
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 1,400
iTrader: (5)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grassman View Post
You could show us what all that paper shit is in real world application
He's an enginerd, they're clueless when it comes to real world application... they only know paper shit.
s.hembree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #379
CheapThrillB2
FAWK YEAH!!
 
CheapThrillB2's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-06-06
Location: Middleville, MI
Posts: 31,204
iTrader: (61)
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Default

I think the biggest difference is that you read it and comprehend and understand. In all honestly I don't learn shit from reading, I learn from hands on.
CheapThrillB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 25th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #380
feva4u
LCG
 
feva4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-01-07
Location: Petoskey, MI
Posts: 10,390
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

These are the boxes Erin is talking about. It can get a little weird because you're dealing with 3d locations for roll steer as well as the 2d "boxes" that Erin's talking about.
__________________
My Jeep
feva4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Rig Builds and Pics

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:10 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.30222 seconds with 82 queries