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Old December 15th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default "Assault weapons" ban will probably happen.

The president and his cronies are going to politicize the hell out of the tragedy to push for an "assault weapons" ban, and paint anyone who opposes it as being just as evil as the killer who committed the massacre. The media will jump on board with their Obama flags waving proudly. The propaganda machine will kick into high gear just like it did during the election, and the RINO's will cave and give Obama what he wants, out of fear of political destruction from the Obama machine. And count on the ban to include a hell of a lot more guns than the last ban had. Bet the farm on this one.
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Assault rifles should be illegal as they are fully automatic....AR15s(semi automatic) I dont think will be Banned.....but I would expect that they will try and ban high capacity mags. Anything over 6 rounds is my bet.
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Assault rifles should be illegal as they are fully automatic....AR15s(semi automatic) I dont think will be Banned.....but I would expect that they will try and ban high capacity mags. Anything over 6 rounds is my bet.
Fully automatic is already illegal. The problem is that there is no clear definition of what an "assault rifle" actually is. Semi-auto is evil in their minds as well. AR manufacturers had to design what is known as a "bullet button" on AR's sold in California because California outlawed detachable magazines. Anti gun people use a wide brush to paint the image of what they think should be banned. Anything that "looks scary", detachable mags, "barrel shrouds"- you name it, they'll try to include it in a ban, without even knowing what half the stuff they are banning actually is.
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A Home Office study published in 2007 reported that gun crime in England and Wales remained a relatively rare event. Firearms (including air guns) were used in 21,521 recorded crimes. It said that injury caused during a firearm offence was rare, with fewer than 3% of offences resulting in a serious or fatal injury.[53]

The number of homicides per year committed with firearms remained between 49 and 97 in the eight years to 2006. There were two fatal shootings of police officers in England and Wales in this period, and 107 non-fatal shootings - an average of 9.7 per year over the same period.[54] In 2005/6 the police in England and Wales reported 50 gun homicides, a rate of 0.1 illegal gun deaths per 100,000 of population. 6.6% of homicides involved the use of a firearm.[54]

The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales.[55] The homicide rate in England and Wales at the end of the 1990s was below the EU average, but the rates in Northern Ireland and Scotland were above the EU average.[56]

While the number of crimes involving firearms in England and Wales increased from 13,874 in 1998/99 to 24,070 in 2002/03, they remained relatively static at 24,094 in 2003/04, and fell to 21,521 in 2005/06. The latter includes 3,275 crimes involving imitation firearms and 10,437 involving air weapons, compared to 566 and 8,665 respectively in 1998/99.[57] Only those "firearms" positively identified as being imitations or air weapons (e.g., by being recovered by the police or by being fired) are classed as such, so the actual numbers are likely significantly higher. In 2005/06, 8,978 of the total of 21,521 firearms crimes (42%) were for criminal damage.[57]

Compared with the United States of America, the United Kingdom has a slightly higher total crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people, while in the USA it is approximately 80.[58]

Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110%,[59] from 2,378 in 1998/99 to 5,001 in 2005/06. Most of the rise in injuries were in the category slight injuries from the non-air weapons. "Slight" in this context means an injury that was not classified as "serious" (i.e., did not require detention in hospital, did not involve fractures, concussion, severe general shock, penetration by a bullet or multiple shot wounds). In 2005/06, 87% of such injuries were defined as "slight," which includes the use of firearms as a threat only. In 2007, the British government was accused by Shadow Home Secretary David Davis of making "inaccurate and misleading" statements claiming that gun crime was falling, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries recorded by police had risen more than fourfold since 1998, mainly due to a rise in non-fatal injuries.[60][61] In 2007, Justice Minister Jack Straw told the BBC, "We are concerned that within the overall record, which is a good one, of crime going down in the last 10-11 years, the number of gun-related incidents has gone up. But it has now started to fall."[62]

In 2008 The Independent reported that there were 42 gun-related deaths in Great Britain, a 20-year low.[63] However, in late 2009 The Telegraph reported that gun crime had doubled in the last 10 years, with an increase in both firearms offences and deaths. A government spokesman said this increase was a result of a change in reporting practices in 2001 and that gun crime had actually fallen since 2005. Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary (an opposition party spokesperson), attributed the rise to ineffective policing and an out-of-control gang culture.[64] Writing in the British Journal of Criminology, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran analys found no measurable effect detectable from the 1997 firearms legislation with ARIMA statistical is.
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Fully automatic is already illegal. .
Actually Full auto (class III) is highly taxed and regulated, but not illegal.
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Compared with the United States of America, the United Kingdom has a slightly higher total crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people, while in the USA it is approximately 80.[58]

However, in late 2009 The Telegraph reported that gun crime had doubled in the last 10 years, with an increase in both firearms offences and deaths.
But the thing is that the Left have no use at all for facts. They will try to discredit the facts all day long, citing "bias" from the source of the facts, while at the same time quoting us their own facts, usually either without revealing the source, or coming from a known biased source. Facts just get in the way of what they are trying to accomplish. They're going to follow the advice of one of the gods of the Left on this one: "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didnít think you could do before.".
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Actually Full auto (class III) is highly taxed and regulated, but not illegal.
Between the taxes and the regulation, full auto weapons are probably pretty rare in the hands of most people. I could be wrong though. Would be nice to know how many massacres are committed with actual full auto weapons versus semi. Not that it really matters. Unabated, that asshole could have killed everyone with a pickax if he wanted to. Toll my not have gotten into the 20's, but damage still would have occured.
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Between the taxes and the regulation, full auto weapons are probably pretty rare in the hands of most people. I could be wrong though. Would be nice to know how many massacres are committed with actual full auto weapons versus semi. Not that it really matters. Unabated, that asshole could have killed everyone with a pickax if he wanted to. Toll my not have gotten into the 20's, but damage still would have occured.
class III huh? well there is some more internet garbage spouted as truth...and highly taxed? I wouldn't call a $200 tax, high, but thats me. Anyone that can buy a pistol can buy a full auto..what keeps full auto out of all your hands is the price you are going to pay for a full auto...and that has nothing to do with taxes
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The propaganda machine will kick into high gear just like it did during the election

Agreed. You've already contributed to the fear mongering.

Until an actual piece of legislation comes out or the NRA-ILA sends out an alert it's business as usual.
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Take off your tin foil hat.

Guns are not going anywhere.
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Take off your tin foil hat.

Guns are not going anywhere.
I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat- just looking at things realistically based on remembering past history and seeing what is currently going on and who is in charge. I wasn't saying that guns themselves are going anywhere. Guns being completely taken away from the populace will never happen. What I was TRYING to say that another "assault weapons" ban is probably going to be attempted, including more things in it than the previous one had. We already had one ban, so another one being put on the table wouldn't be out of the question after the events this week. And RINO"s caving on it isn't so far fetched either.
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Agreed. You've already contributed to the fear mongering.

Until an actual piece of legislation comes out or the NRA-ILA sends out an alert it's business as usual.
Quoting the president in his speech the day after the shooting- " And we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."

My bet is that he isn't talking about increasing spending and giving better care to the mentally disturbed people in this country. But I could be wrong.
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Quoting the president in his speech the day after the shooting- " And we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."

My bet is that he isn't talking about increasing spending and giving better care to the mentally disturbed people in this country. But I could be wrong.
Nope. He's making an extremely vague statement to appeal to his base without any clear action being mentioned. He's a master politician. He also knows that an "Assault Weapons" ban or magazine ban will be political suicide for the Democrats even more so than last time because there are millions of more gun owners in this country.

This topic has officially hit dead horse status and you're continuing to beat the living HELL out of that poor corpse and the fear mongering goes both ways on this issue.

So again... Until the NRA-ILA throws out an alert or the media reports one is in the works it's just business as usual.

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Quoting the president in his speech the day after the shooting- " And we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."

My bet is that he isn't talking about increasing spending and giving better care to the mentally disturbed people in this country. But I could be wrong.
Knowing O bo bo he is talking about increased spending. The assult weapons ban has come up about 30 times in the last 5 years. No support.
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Dianne Feinstein To Introduce Assault Weapons Ban On First Day Of Congress

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311477.html

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"Who needs these military-style assault weapons? Who needs an ammunition feeding device capable of holding 100 rounds?" Feinstein wrote on her campaign website. "These weapons are not for hunting deer -- they’re for hunting people."

On Sunday Feinstein laid out details of the bill.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, but prospectively," and ban the sale of clips of more than ten bullets, Feinstein said. "The purpose of this bill is to get... weapons of war off the streets."

Feinstein would not comment on whether President Obama had failed to lead on gun control. "He is going to have a bill to lead on," she said.
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She's been doing the exact same thing every single year. This isn't anything new and any severe restriction on any firearms in this country will be the end of her career (Should've happened years ago) and the careers of any of her supporters.
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She's been doing the exact same thing every single year. This isn't anything new and any severe restriction on any firearms in this country will be the end of her career (Should've happened years ago) and the careers of any of her supporters.
After Harry Reid changes the rules on the first day. The president was re-elected on this platform.

this will fast track through and pass with 51 votes. Mainly because most gun owners don't believe it can happen.
Gun owners will cry "Molon Lave" and "cold, dead hands". But most will fold like a cheap suit under threat of prosecution or when the Lenco Bear is parked on their front lawn.
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Nope. He's making an extremely vague statement to appeal to his base without any clear action being mentioned. He's a master politician. He also knows that an "Assault Weapons" ban or magazine ban will be political suicide for the Democrats even more so than last time because there are millions of more gun owners in this country.

This topic has officially hit dead horse status and you're continuing to beat the living HELL out of that poor corpse and the fear mongering goes both ways on this issue.

So again... Until the NRA-ILA throws out an alert or the media reports one is in the works it's just business as usual.

Remain calm.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/politi...ons/index.html

http://www.pressherald.com/news/late...012-12-16.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-16/-vow-action-on-gun-control-in-wake-of-newtown-shooting.html

Just saying...

Maybe nothing will come from any of it. But they WILL give it their best effort.
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