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Old November 30th, 2012, 07:26 AM   #1
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Hey guys, I kinda want to get into reloading since ammo prices are becoming stuipd. Is it better to buy a complete kit to get started or piece everything together that way?
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Old November 30th, 2012, 07:45 AM   #2
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You might save a few dollars buying a kit. Look around you might be able to pick up some used equipment. Buy quality, stay away from Lee reloading dies. RCBS, Redding, Lyman, Hornady dies seem to be the best. If you want a progressive loader Dillon is the only way to go. Get a good loading book, a press, powder scale, powder measure and a set of calipers to start and build on that. You will also need a sturdy bench to bolt your press to. I have been hand loading for 30+ years let me know if you need any help/advice.
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first, how much volume are you looking at? and what size cases?
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No, first get a good reloading book.
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I've had no trouble with Lee dies at "hobbyist" type volumes - and I like that their better die sets come with a crimping die and don't require case lubing.
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I'm basically looking to reload 45acp, .223/5.56 and either 9mm or .40 depending on what the wife gets. Are carbide dies worth the money?
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Yes carbide dies are the only way to go otherwise you have too lube each case or it will get stuck in the die . Do not try to reload or accidentally size steel cased ammo as it will pull the carbide insert out of the die , RCBS is all I use never had a problem infact when that insert came out they had me send them the die and they sent me a brand new one free , . For 45 acp 6 grains of unique and a 230 gr round nose and your in buisiness . The .223 I have been using alliant AR comp with 62 gr bullets and its been really good . I have the pro 2000 press well 2 of them one setup for .223 and one for 45 acp you can make alot of them in a short period of time .
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Yes carbide dies are the only way to go otherwise you have too lube each case or it will get stuck in the die . Do not try to reload or accidentally size steel cased ammo as it will pull the carbide insert out of the die , RCBS is all I use never had a problem infact when that insert came out they had me send them the die and they sent me a brand new one free , . For 45 acp 6 grains of unique and a 230 gr round nose and your in buisiness . The .223 I have been using alliant AR comp with 62 gr bullets and its been really good . I have the pro 2000 press well 2 of them one setup for .223 and one for 45 acp you can make alot of them in a short period of time .
6 grains over a 230gr bullet is a rather hot load isn't it?
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Hey guys, I kinda want to get into reloading since ammo prices are becoming stuipd. Is it better to buy a complete kit to get started or piece everything together that way?
I wanted to start reloading for this reason but by the time I added the prices of the equipment, brass, powder, etc I realized it would take a lot of shooting to break even. I would still like to be able to reload my own ammo as a hobby one day but it doesn't make much financial sense in my case (I'm usually lucky to shoot 100 rounds a month)
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Yes, it is.

Agreed that Dillon press' are great tools. Don't get into reloading thinking you will save a ton of $$ tho, its a good use of time, its fun to dial in a gun to a particular load, etc... but cost savings is minimal. Just as ammo prices have gone up so have the price of powder, primers and bullets. 10 yrs ago I could load bulk 9mm or .45 for 1/2 of the store-bought target ammo, now I'm about 80% of that cost (but each load is pretty frickin dialed in for each of my guns).

Don't let me scare you, its fun and rewarding but dont dive in for cost alone.

Essentials, IMO:
Press- prog for short throw handgun (Dillon Sq deal B)
Press- Single stage for any rifle ammo (Rockchucker)
Handheld priming tool (I think they work better than the press priming tools)
Balance beam scale
Powder drop (I like Lyman)
Calipers (Dia and OAL are crutial)
Shell trays
Lots of room to work and stay organized- Double charges happen when the phone rings and you forget what you are doing for a minute.
A good book or two- I use the books for case and OAL dimensions but go directly to the powder mfgr's websites for loading data.

Have fun!
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IMO the "cost savings" of reloading comes from being able to load premium ammo at a reduced cost. For high volume shooting I don't think there's much savings by the time you factor in the equipment, consumables and the time spent.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #12
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I like the idea of really being able to fine tune what I shoot. I mean, I dont care when I'm plinking, but it would be nice to be able to turn all that brass into precision loads for less than $20 a box. Thanks for the help guys!
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I do like the Lee factory crimp dies. I have had to send two sets of Lee dies back over the years because of poor quality. One set was for .458 SOCOM and the other was for 577/450 Maritni Henry. IMO Redding are the best non custom dies made. For all pistol dies I get carbide so no lubing is required when sizing.





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Try to find someone local to help you get started. A friend wanted to reload so he took a class in Mason. I couldn't go because I worked weekends so he taught me. I load everything I shoot now for the last ten years.
The kits are good to get started but you will eventually replace most of the items with better tools.
What you want to avoid is someone giving out loads like the above. Buy a good book go with a starting load and work up . Stop when the accuracy is what you want and it shows no signs of over pressure. Reloading is a very rewarding hobby but it can bite you if your not careful.
I have a extra 10-10 RCBS scale reasonable if you need one.
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Ive been using that load for years never had any problems 6 gr unique with 230 gr round nose . Shoots great in all my guns . Besides that it must be open to opinion because the alliant website calls for 6.5 grains of unique with a 230 gr jacketed so my loads are actually a little lighter than what they recomend .

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...35&bulletid=65
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I wanted add to verify all loads that are posted and then work up to that load cautiously. You could have typed a eight or nine by accident and without verifying the data there could be problems.

This also applies to that data ... I see your 45 load doesn.'t apply though .
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*REDUCE RIFLE AND HANDGUN CHARGE WEIGHTS BY 10% TO ESTABLISH A STARTING LOAD.
The exceptions to this are the loads listed as "target" in the 38 Special and 45 ACP data tables.

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