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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:23 AM   #21
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I am sorry but that is pretty horrible
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Old November 14th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #22
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Well, you used the term, "correlation"...so I assumed you were trying to make a logical point. From all your "logic training" in college, you should know that correlation doesn't mean causation. However, since you now are saying that God is above logic...you shouldn't really be able to say what is a punishment and what isn't, because there obviously wouldn't be any logical connection to be made. Right?
Yes to the point of I am human and that is how my mind works to rationalize things but when it comes to acts of God I know that has a humble human I can not even begin to understand.


You believe or you don't. I believe God is in control of everything that happens and you don't but you continue to argue that my faith can't possibly make sense when it's the most purest form of sense that I can make which is giving all control over to God.

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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:42 AM   #23
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Yes to the point of I am human and that is how my mind works to rationalize things but when it comes to acts of God I know that has a humble human I can not even begin to understand.


You believe or you don't. I believe God is in control of everything that happens and you don't but you continue to argue that my faith can't possibly make sense when it's the most purest form of sense that I can make which is giving all control over to God.
So, as a humble human, why do you continue to speak on your god's behalf as if you KNOW what he's trying to say, i.e. Hurricanes are punishment towards the "wicked"?
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So, as a humble human, why do you continue to speak on your god's behalf as if you KNOW what he's trying to say, i.e. Hurricanes are punishment towards the "wicked"?
From Hus forms of punishment in the past which was already stated multiple times in this thread. Read much or just a troll?
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From Hus forms of punishment in the past which was already stated multiple times in this thread. Read much or just a troll?
That's not very humble. Oh wait, you call yourself a Christian. Of course you're a hypocrite. Duh.
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That's not very humble. Oh wait, you call yourself a Christian. Of course you're a hypocrite. Duh.
What's not humble? Enabling trolls? Welcome back I'm sure I'll be seeing you in all the God related threads. Welcome and maybe you'll see the awesomeness of Gods wonder which as a Christian is my hope for your soul!!
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What's not humble? Enabling trolls? Welcome back I'm sure I'll be seeing you in all the God related threads. Welcome and maybe you'll see the awesomeness of Gods wonder which as a Christian is my hope for your soul!!
If I was God, I'd fire you as my PR person. It's just not working out.
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I am sorry but that is pretty horrible

I'm not trying to be snarky, or pushy, I'm really curious what part you thought was bad?

Was it the use of a very fresh 'wound' in our country to push what he truly believes could be God calling us back to a former standard?

It may not be a very classy way about it, but, if it really was God trying to punish us, as a country (not as individuals, like he did to his own 'people'), shouldn't we at least consider what that message might be?

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So, as a humble human, why do you continue to speak on your god's behalf as if you KNOW what he's trying to say, i.e. Hurricanes are punishment towards the "wicked"?
Would you rather God punish OUR COUNTRY with puppy dogs and unicorns? I know it's not really valid, to you, but there are countless instances in the bible (our religion's recorded history) where God punishes those who stray from his path.

What really gets me is all the hard-asses on this site that say 'If that was my kid, I'd leave a permanent hand print on his ass' when a 'darwin award' thread is posted but when someone suggests that, to that person (the pastor here), that God is punishing a country because of the path we are going down, They all cry for protective services and call him a child abuser.

Either you all completely missed the end part of the sermon or the conclusion just flew over your head. God punishes us because he loves us. I hate punishing my child. It makes me cry every time to see his reaction to what I've had to do. BUT, I know that if I don't punish him for doing bad things he won't know any better. So I punish him, I love him to much to see him stay in a state I know isn't correct for him. The same Goes for God and his children.

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That's not very humble. Oh wait, you call yourself a Christian. Of course you're a hypocrite. Duh.
There's always room for one more. You're welcome to come to any Christian church and Join.

It's not the healthy people that go see the doctor, it's the sick people.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:07 AM   #29
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It seems trashy that you would use the tragedy of others to promote your agenda. I am not getting into a debate with you about it but I can guarantee that more people are offended then brought in by that type of message. I personally have employees and two facilities out east but it's easy to sit here in Michigan and make just disgusting comments when you aren't in the midst of it all huh?
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I think mike sova is a troll.....

however, mike sova is owning cheifgodsthesurpremebeing in this thread.
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It seems trashy that you would use the tragedy of others to promote your agenda. I am not getting into a debate with you about it but I can guarantee that more people are offended then brought in by that type of message. I personally have employees and two facilities out east but it's easy to sit here in Michigan and make just disgusting comments when you aren't in the midst of it all huh?
sodom and gomorrah relatives say what?
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I think mike sova is a troll.....

however, mike sova is owning cheifgodsthesurpremebeing in this thread.
If I'm a troll, then, I bow down to you Kickstand, King of the Trolls.
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It seems trashy that you would use the tragedy of others to promote your agenda. I am not getting into a debate with you about it but I can guarantee that more people are offended then brought in by that type of message. I personally have employees and two facilities out east but it's easy to sit here in Michigan and make just disgusting comments when you aren't in the midst of it all huh?
I didn't want to get into a debate about it. Just wanted to know a bit more then 'that really is disgusting'.



I still think most of you missed the meaning behind the message because you were to put off from what you thought he was trying to say. If he would have used Katrina instead of Sandy you guys may have understood the true meaning of what he was saying because you wouldn't have the immediate emotional connection.

To be completely honest, I forgot about that part of the message. I was more interested in the idea that alot of our founding fathers have quotes that blatantly sound more then a Deistic viewpoint. That they believed God had a part in the everyday workings of man. That's what I got out of the message. Myabe it's because I realized that there COULD be a connection between the hard times we face and how God uses those hard times to communicate with us.

Oddly, and ironically from all your points of views, he did his sermon on the Golden rule tihs Sunday.

http://youtu.be/jWAcWUvbHmg

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