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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:56 AM   #1
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Default Wounded Warrior Project now Anti-2nd Amendment

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Wounded Warrior Project Email Exchange

by Gun Talk on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 at 10:56am

After Sunday's show, we've gotten many emails about Tom's remarks after WWP declined an interview request on Gun Talk Radio because it's a firearms-related show. We've also seen the forums that are suggesting many things that are not true. So, I'm going to lay it all out right here.
We thought it would be great to book the WWP on the Veteran's Day show to promote the organization, so I contacted them. I was flabbergasted when their PR contact, Leslie, sent me an email saying they could not participate because our show dealt with firearms. Knowing that WWP has a booth at SHOT show and various gun shows across the US, takes wounded warriors on hunts and range days, raffles guns and accessories as fundraisers, etc., their policy didn't make much sense. I forwarded the email on to Tom to get his take.
-Sarah

The following is the complete email exchange:
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Hello, Leslie:
Sarah forwarded me your email after I asked her to invite the Wounded Warriors Project to join me on "Tom Gresham's Gun Talk" radio show.

I'm stunned at your email saying that the WWP doesn't participate in an interview or activity related to firearms. Inasmuch as there are 90 million gun owners and most of them support wounded veterans, I think they would be shocked to hear that they are, by way of their hobbies, somehow not worthy of helping with the Wounded Warriors Project.

Does your policy apply also to police agencies and the military, since they are "related to firearms?"

I'm hoping that we have misunderstood your email. Can you confirm that it is, in fact, an official policy of the Wounded Warriors Project to not do interviews with or participate in any activity related to firearms?

Thank you.
Tom Gresham

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Good afternoon --

While we appreciate your interest in Wounded Warrior Project® (WWP) you are correct that we decline the media opportunity.

Please note the following notice that appears on our website which also applies to WWP public awareness policy and inquiries from media outlets:
Additional Opportunities - Wounded Warrior Project

WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies.

Thank you for your inquiry.

LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

O: 904.405.1433
M: 904.654.8138
F: 904.296.7347

Wounded Warrior Project
4899 Belfort Road, Suite 300
Jacksonville, Florida 32256

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Thanks for confirming that, Leslie. It was a simple opportunity to promote the WWP on a national program in an effort to send donations your way.
I'll pass along the info that you don't want or need the help of America's gun owners.

Best regards,
Tom Gresham

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Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.

Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.

Thank you.
LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

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Hello, Leslie:

Thank you for that explanation.

I do think -- and I'm being as kind as possible -- that it's the nuttiest thing I've heard in years. Suicides are not linked to firearms. Japan has a much higher rate of suicide than does the U.S., and they have essentially no firearms. Suicide is a serious issue irrespective of the methodology used.

This explanation doesn't pass even the most simple "does this make sense" test.

Your policy does, in fact, brand firearms and the companies which make them as undesirables, and by association, you are saying that those who own and use firearms for recreation, hunting, self protection, and other safe and legal uses are to be avoided.

It's certainly your option to ostracize the firearms industry, the 90 million gun owners in America, and the media which support firearms safety training.

At this point, I feel an obligation to make sure the millions who listen to my radio show and watch my two national television series know about your policy.

I cannot fully express how much I feel you are doing a disservice to our wounded veterans, and how disappointed I am to discover this bias at the Wounded Warriors Project.

Sincerely,
Tom Gresham


From a volunteer at one Wounded Warrior USPSA style charity shoot: "This is PC gone too far. Where I live we had a Wounded Warrior USPSA style shoot at a local range. Wounded service members showed up and were provided guns, gear, and ammo. We even spent extra time making the stages wheelchair friendly. The day of the event only 18 service members showed up when we were expecting two to three times that many. We were told that the transportation had been cancelled at the last last moment so service members had to find their own rides to the range. We were told this was because WWP did not want to be associated with the event, despite then agreeing to participate during the several weeks it took to organize the event. Not only did WWP cancel the transportation but I was told by multiple people that they did not tell anyone and a dozen wounded service members in wheel chairs were out waiting for transportation that never arrived."

$0.32 for every dollar donated actually goes to help a Veteran. Their CEO has made over $600,000 personally from Wounded Warrior Project over the past two years alone.

Fisher House, VFW, and the American Legion are all excellent organizations that will do much more for Veterans.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #2
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WWP consistently gets very low ratings from charity watch and other charity 'checkers'.

It's essentially a business hiding behind the guise of a charity.

Pay attention people:

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Few charitable enterprises are nobler in purpose than those which seek to aid citizens and residents that have suffered permanent – often devastating – wounds while fighting to protect and defend the Constitution, its guaranteed freedoms, and the general safety of the American people. These veterans certainly deserve a maximized proportion of financial/service support from the funds that the populace is willing to provide. To that end, when we scrutinize the disclosed fiscal year (FY) 2010 financials for the Wounded Warrior Project (WWP) a very disappointing picture emerges.

In FY 2010, the WWP received a total of $73,707,063 in unrestricted revenues, from which $6,738,825 (9.14%) were retained as organizational assets at year end. This means that 90.86% of the largely donated and otherwise obtained revenues were spent in one fashion or another during the year. Of those FY 2010 expenditures ($66,968,238), the following represent large elements of the overall breakdown.*

-Media ad value: $25,635,534 (38.28% of expenditures)

-Organizational salaries: $7,483,753 (11.18% of expenditures)

-Advertising: $7,235,336 (10.80% of expenditures)

-Consulting and outside services: $5,373,930 (8.02% of expenditures)

Federal accounting laws governing 501(c) organizations permit the lumping of these types of activities, along with the genuine charitable activities, as overall program expenditures which can tend to skew the statistical description of the organization’s period activities to the casual observer. But close scrutiny clearly illustrates that of the total monies actually spent (and not retained for future use) in FY 2010, at least 68% of these expenditures went toward what the layman would call overhead costs.

Technically, overhead costs can be defined in as many ways as pleases the eye of the beholder. By my definition, media ad values and advertising, while undoubtedly serving to raise awareness of the challenges that wounded veterans and their families face, do not directly contribute to their immediate needs commensurate with the organization’s publicly professed mission. Neither do “consulting and outside services,” which is far too suspiciously ambiguous for my liking.

Even if one applies a liberal interpretation to overhead and considers media ad value and advertising as legitimate charity expenses, when an additional $5,458,934 for direct mail (8.15%), $4,896,831 for postage and shipping (7.31%), $1,744,702 for payroll taxes and employee benefits (2.61%), $1,742,491 for meetings/events (2.6%), and $1,639,489 for promotional items (2.45%) are considered, the overhead still lingers somewhere around at least 42%. This is likely a very kind subjective assessment.

The independent charity evaluation group Charity Navigator gave WWP a rating of 3 out of 4 stars, but closer inspection shows a non-weighted average was obtained between a 2-star rating for the contextually important financial conduct and a 4-star rating for transparency (which is true given the fact that the above figures were obtained directly from WWP’s website). Charity Watch (a watchdog arm of the American Institute of Philanthropy) uses much more detailed rating criteria, and in 2007 gave the WWP a “D” rating in a report provided to the Congress that year.

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This means that for every dollar you give to WWP only $.32 goes to what you intended it to go to. Pay attention and do some research before you toss money at charities. This anti-firearm stance is just icing on the cake and probably just took a lot of future cash out of their pockets (which is a good thing).
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #3
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Do you happen to have a link for this? I'd like to send it along to Tough Mudder, who raises charity for WWP.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #4
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this is spreading pretty viral on a number of forums.

what has me worried, is I don't see it on: http://www.guntalk.com/site15.php

weird that they did post it in their FB Page:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/gun-t...51354082553313
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #5
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this is spreading pretty viral on a number of forums.

what has me worried, is I don't see it on: http://www.guntalk.com/site15.php

weird that they did post it in their FB Page:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/gun-t...51354082553313
Why does it worry you that it isn't on their page if I may ask?
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #6
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the IRS reveals that Wounded Warrior’s top executive, Steven Nardizzi, made $341,000 in the fiscal year ending September 2011, and seven other officials made in excess of $160,000 each. And the nonprofit actually recorded an operating income of $16 million on $74 million in revenues, including donations - or 22 percent.
source: http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/s...all&print=true
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #7
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Why does it worry you that it isn't on their page if I may ask?
ever seen a fake e-mail forward like crazy?

the copy+pasted e-mails that are on the forums page don't contain the e-mail header information.

the copy+pasted text that is flying around the various web-forums could be compiled with a word processor or even notepad, or even typed in the "reply to box" on any of those web-forums.

once something goes viral it is all but impossible to reverse the tide. e.g. every once in a while I still get an e-mail forward from some fucktard asking me if Microsoft's offer for a free car if the e-mail forward reaches 25,000 replies in honor of windows xp launch...

currently, the only corroboration seems to be on their facebook page :dunno:
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ever seen a fake e-mail forward like crazy?

the copy+pasted e-mails that are on the forums page don't contain the e-mail header information.

the copy+pasted text that is flying around the various web-forums could be compiled with a word processor or even notepad, or even typed in the "reply to box" on any of those web-forums.

once something goes viral it is all but impossible to reverse the tide. e.g. every once in a while I still get an e-mail forward from some fucktard asking me if Microsoft's offer for a free car if the e-mail forward reaches 25,000 replies in honor of windows xp launch...

currently, the only corroboration seems to be on their facebook page :dunno:

Got you, and I understand that. Saw this on another forum last night, and like you said, going like wildfire.

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Got you, and I understand that. Saw this on another forum last night, and like you said, going like wildfire.

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yeah, it's on jkowners, pirate and a buncha other forums
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Wounded Warrior confirmed their anti-gun stance on their Facebook page in one of their canned responses by admitting their refusal to license their logo on any new charity weapon builds.
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It's sad that this organization chooses to shy away from gun owners. Linking suicide to guns is one of the most retarded things I have read in a long time.
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They've been struggling with their copy and pasting to manage this PR nightmare and getting called out on every canned response they offer. They don't even make sense.
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So pocketing a profit while not paying taxes and linking guns to suicide wasn't enough. They also require you to be injured on or after 9/11. I guess vets before that date aren't "wonder warriors" they are just forgotten vets. Sad that this organization is so dishonest and misleading.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #14
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So is it true or not true?
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It's true. Check out their Facebook page. They're getting ripped apart. You can find the articles on their "See posts by other users" section.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/wo...#ixzz2CFnl1N4C
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