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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #301
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My thought on IF drugs and disease were higher in gay-centric is because a large part of society rejects them which leads them down a bad path. Me, believing Nature in the whole Nature V Nurture feel that there is nothing they can do about their sexual orientation just like you can't about yours. So constantly being rejected by friends, family, co-workers, and even strangers leads you down a dark road.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #302
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Yeah, you believe what you want and I'll continue to believe what I know is true. You could pretty much get whatever drug you wanted and be banging if you liked guys at anytime in the "boys district" of chicago as well. I unfourtnatly had to work with a gay who liked to tell of his excapades there on the weekends.

So back on topic, NO I will not vote for a candidate who caters to any freak small percentage group.
You can also get any drug in any podunk town in Kentucky and I guarantee that Billy Bob will blow you for $5 worth of meth. You've proven nothing.

So back on topic, would you vote for a gay-friendly president that you know would do a better job at turning the economy around or an anti-gay devout Christian who touts increased government spending who would increase our nation's debt?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #303
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Yeah, you believe what you want and I'll continue to believe what I know is true. You could pretty much get whatever drug you wanted and be banging if you liked guys at anytime in the "boys district" of chicago as well. I unfourtnatly had to work with a gay who liked to tell of his excapades there on the weekends.

So back on topic, NO I will not vote for a candidate who caters to any freak small percentage group.
you realize straight people can and do do the exact same thing too right?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #304
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what once was shocking is now normal.

if gays can get married, why not siblings, 1st cousins, mother/son etc?

I've asked this before, and it seems like a lot of people that are supposedly open minded about accepting gay unions get really squeamish if you push them just a little bit more...
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what once was shocking is now normal.

if gays can get married, why not siblings, 1st cousins, mother/son etc?

I've asked this before, and it seems like a lot of people that are supposedly open minded about accepting gay unions get really squeamish if you push them just a little bit more...
Why not? If they're both consenting adults, who cares? First cousins can already get married in 25 states.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:39 PM   #306
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Why not? If they're both consenting adults, who cares? First cousins can already get married in 25 states.
You'd have to ask the folks that get squeamish about it.

Why stop at "both" - why not allow for plural marriages?

Those secularists that argue that marriage is nothing more than a contract surely can see that LLC's, and Limited Partnership agreements can easily accommodate that type of arrangement as well.

Why do they have to be consenting adults? Power of attorney can also substitute in a ton of contract oriented law...
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You'd have to ask the folks that get squeamish about it.

Why stop at "both" - why not allow for plural marriages?

Those secularists that argue that marriage is nothing more than a contract surely can see that LLC's, and Limited Partnership agreements can easily accommodate that type of arrangement as well.

Why do they have to be consenting adults? Power of attorney can also substitute in a ton of contract oriented law...
Plural marriages are cool too if that's what makes some people happy.

Contracts COULD suffice if the government gets out of the marriage business altogether. You would run into the issue of sharing insurance, finances, etc. if not every entity recognizes that contract though.

Why do the parties involved have to give their consent you ask? Seems awful messy to have third parties entering someone into a marriage.
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This sort of makes the point. http://imgur.com/Q1nCX Forgive the grammar issues in it, damn.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #309
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Scribs in those days took thier job very seriously. No mistakes, everything recorded word for word.
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Why do the parties involved have to give their consent you ask? Seems awful messy to have third parties entering someone into a marriage.
if "mess" was the only reason for denying someone that possible happiness then there should be no marriages, civil unions, or contractual agreements of any kind whatsoever. I'm shocked that some claiming to be open minded would suggest otherwise.

Shocked. Appalled even. There should be people marching in parades to demonstrate against the close minded bigotry you are displaying.
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if "mess" was the only reason for denying someone that possible happiness then there should be no marriages, civil unions, or contractual agreements of any kind whatsoever. I'm shocked that some claiming to be open minded would suggest otherwise.

Shocked. Appalled even. There should be people marching in parades to demonstrate against the close minded bigotry you are displaying.
That's not what I'm saying. I guess I need you to better explain the POA situation. In my mind, if someone needs someone else to provide consent (via POA), they're not of the mental fortitude to enter into any such agreement, thus the "mess". Are you implying that one should be able to force someone else into marriage (no consent)? I don't see where you're going with that. Help.
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That's not what I'm saying. I guess I need you to better explain the POA situation. In my mind, if someone needs someone else to provide consent (via POA), they're not of the mental fortitude to enter into any such agreement, thus the "mess". Are you implying that one should be able to force someone else into marriage (no consent)? I don't see where you're going with that. Help.
you should have guessed by my over the top end to the prior post that I was just trolling you.
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you should have guessed by my over the top end to the prior post that I was just trolling you.
Yeah I get that. I still thought there was an argument there. I guess not. Shit, I'm slow today.
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Im not sure dropping socially conservative ideas would work for the GOP. I think the GOP needs to do a better job at deflecting some of the "hot button" questions. Granting of marriage license is handled by the states therefore those running for any position in federal government needs to stay away from state issues and insist that gay marriage be decided at the state level. Far as abortion goes that is law of the land and candidates should state their position is to uphold the law of the land whether they like it or not. It would serve the repubs well to distance them selves from the guys that say stupid stuff like "women will naturally abort if they are legitimately raped". 3 million republican voters stayed home election day for a reason. Its anecdotal evidence I know, but every conservative I know that did not vote for Romney did not because they viewed him as a liberal. These were not religious people they, like me are tired of the republican left running the party. The tea party candidates won overwhelmingly in the 2010 elections because they were fiscally conservative and many espoused socially conservative values. I think going further to the left would be a mistake, it would further alienate the christian right (a very large number of republican voters) and further alienate constitutionalists and fiscally conservative voters. It would serve the repubs well to get their message out and stand by it, but by all means be careful how they present it.
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Yeah I get that. I still thought there was an argument there. I guess not. Shit, I'm slow today.
imho there's only a theoretical one, unless it were an avenue to allow the sharia law followers a means to sell off their underage daughters.

in retrospect I guess not as far fetched as it initially sounds.
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Im not sure dropping socially conservative ideas would work for the GOP. I think the GOP needs to do a better job at deflecting some of the "hot button" questions. Granting of marriage license is handled by the states therefore those running for any position in federal government needs to stay away from state issues and insist that gay marriage be decided at the state level. Far as abortion goes that is law of the land and candidates should state their position is to uphold the law of the land whether they like it or not. It would serve the repubs well to distance them selves from the guys that say stupid stuff like "women will naturally abort if they are legitimately raped". 3 million republican voters stayed home election day for a reason. Its anecdotal evidence I know, but every conservative I know that did not vote for Romney did not because they viewed him as a liberal. These were not religious people they, like me are tired of the republican left running the party. The tea party candidates won overwhelmingly in the 2010 elections because they were fiscally conservative and many espoused socially conservative values. I think going further to the left would be a mistake, it would further alienate the christian right (a very large number of republican voters) and further alienate constitutionalists and fiscally conservative voters. It would serve the repubs well to get their message out and stand by it, but by all means be careful how they present it.
that's a fairly big wall of unformatted text, and it's early.

however, while the teaparty victories stunned a lot of people it also did alienate the moderate republican.

one of the talking heads/pundits noted (correctly) that since 2010 a sizeable number of folks that formerly self-identified as now self-identify as independent. while the core republican may in fact still be fiscal and social conservative, that core is smaller in number as a percentage of the electorate than ever before.
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