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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #181
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This dergrades society as a whole. It devalues life as nothing more than trash.
Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. If the gay community want to get together and be united great, I have no problem with that and so do many other people, but it is not a marriage. Throughout history marriage is between two different sexes, male and female. Homosexuality affects children the most. Is not the right thing to do to protect our children?
They are the next generation to run this country.
Scientific data, not religious data, shows there is no affect on kids being raised by homosexual parents. I'm willing to bet altar boys being groped by priests is more damaging.

Marriage, civil union, domestic partnership.....it's all semantics. If the Reps don't want to support gay "marriage" then support gay "civil unions."

Be pro-life, but give up when life actually happens. The whole life begins at conception thing is BS for two reasons. 1. Sperm is technically living cells. If you are true full on pro-life, beating off in the shower is genocide. 2. Until the fetus can live outside of the womb even with extra medical equipment, it is nothing but a parasite. A fetus can usually survive outside of the womb at 20-23 weeks with medical equipment.
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This dergrades society as a whole. It devalues life as nothing more than trash.
Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. If the gay community want to get together and be united great, I have no problem with that and so do many other people, but it is not a marriage. Throughout history marriage is between two different sexes, male and female. Homosexuality affects children the most. Is not the right thing to do to protect our children?
They are the next generation to run this country.
What does it do the kids? I'm gonna go flareside and ask for some proof here.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #183
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Ron Paul came across as much of a quack as Aber.
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Aber what would u say to your kid if they ( boy or girl) where gay?
They are not, but if it did happen I would love them the same, I would pray for them and allow God to work in thier lives.
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I'm willing to bet altar boys being groped by priests is more damaging.
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This dergrades society as a whole. It devalues life as nothing more than trash.
Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. If the gay community want to get together and be united great, I have no problem with that and so do many other people, but it is not a marriage. Throughout history marriage is between two different sexes, male and female. Homosexuality affects children the most. Is not the right thing to do to protect our children?
They are the next generation to run this country.
Christian fear-mongering at it's finest. "If people act differently than me, society will crumble!" You're advocating nothing more than a conspiracy theory. You do realize that gay marriage has been legal in Canada for over 7 years and they haven't seen a reduction in new births, an increase in gay children nor an overall degradation of society. The general population realizes that your claims are simply not true.
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They are not, but if it did happen I would love them the same, I would pray for them and allow God to work in thier lives.
and then.....what would you do when he asked you to walk him down the aisle to fullfill his desire to be married to his partner? To provide the same monogomous commitment to his partner has you have to yours? To have a companion for life like you have for yours, what do you do then?

Look I think homosexuality is weird as hell, but its certainly not of any concern to me if they want to commit into a marriage to each other.

As far as kids are concerned, prove it? show me how two dads is worse than none, show me a kid who grew up with two moms who is a detriment to society.....

You're really reaching here dude. I would venture a guess that the percentage of children who grow up in a gay household who turn out to committ suicide, or to be axe murderers, rapists, and career criminials is a lot smaller than the percentage of kids who grow up in a divorced family, normal family, or single parent family.
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and then.....what would you do when he asked you to walk him down the aisle to fullfill his desire to be married to his partner? To provide the same monogomous commitment to his partner has you have to yours? To have a companion for life like you have for yours, what do you do then?

Look I think homosexuality is weird as hell, but its certainly not of any concern to me if they want to commit into a marriage to each other.

As far as kids are concerned, prove it? show me how two dads is worse than none, show me a kid who grew up with two moms who is a detriment to society.....

You're really reaching here dude. I would venture a guess that the percentage of children who grow up in a gay household who turn out to committ suicide, or to be axe murderers, rapists, and career criminials is a lot smaller than the percentage of kids who grow up in a divorced family, normal family, or single parent family.
Apparently being happy for your kids isn't a Christian value.

Watch, his next argument is going to be it ruins the sanctity of marriage. You know, just like all the people (mostly celebrities) that have been married 5 times over keep that "sanctity" going.
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Apparently being happy for your kids isn't a Christian value.

Watch, his next argument is going to be it ruins the sanctity of marriage. You know, just like all the people (mostly celebrities) that have been married 5 times over keep that "sanctity" going.
being divorced I can't really preach too much on the sanctity of marriage. I don't think the gay's have ruined that, I think society in general has ruined that....

I'd be willing to bet the divorce rate in the gay community is lesser (percentage wise) than in the hetero community.....

Divorce sucks, I wish it upon no one. Gay or straight.
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Be pro-life, but give up when life actually happens. The whole life begins at conception thing is BS for two reasons. 1. Sperm is technically living cells. If you are true full on pro-life, beating off in the shower is genocide. 2. Until the fetus can live outside of the womb even with extra medical equipment, it is nothing but a parasite. A fetus can usually survive outside of the womb at 20-23 weeks with medical equipment.
Sperm by itself will never grow into a person. It is no more "alive" than a drop of blood. The point at which a fetus can live outside the womb has been changing based on medical technology. A preemie that would likely have dies 100 years ago might survive today. Maybe in another 100 years we'll be able to grow a fertilized egg all the way from conception to "full term" outside of the womb. Does this mean we are changing when "life" begins?
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Sperm by itself will never grow into a person. It is no more "alive" than a drop of blood. The point at which a fetus can live outside the womb has been changing based on medical technology. A preemie that would likely have dies 100 years ago might survive today. Maybe in another 100 years we'll be able to grow a fertilized egg all the way from conception to "full term" outside of the womb. Does this mean we are changing when "life" begins?
Well, according to those that say new technology is the way to think, they should say yes in favor of the fetus. After all, you and I are old sheep.
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Don't you old fogies know the song "Every sperm is sacred"
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As silly as it sounds, the last episode of Boston Legal impacted me on the issues of mono sex marriage. Note, I didn't say gay. Gay marriage has the connotation of sexual. The last episode of Boston Legal was based on 2 best friends, both male who loved each other as brothers. Neither had a significant other and one had just been diagnosed with Alzheimers. He asked his best friend to care for him as his illness was sure to take his life. This way, his married partner could make legal and medical decisions for him and he knew he would be in the hands of someone who cared about him. He also wanted his friend to inherit his assets and felt that as married, it would avoid probate, taxes, etc.
The arguement was very compelling.

Now, regarding the sexual side of gay marriage, I can't comprehend it and think it is morally wrong. Is it legally wrong? I don't think it is for me to say.
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The "sanctity" of marriage no longer exists. 50% of the people get divorced. It's an even higher percentage of marriages after that.

50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce. (divorcerate.org)

Who cares who wants to marry who? Who cares if Jim wants to blow Bob while Bob gets plowed in the arse from Steve all while Ted watches in the corner jerking off.
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Sperm by itself will never grow into a person. It is no more "alive" than a drop of blood. The point at which a fetus can live outside the womb has been changing based on medical technology. A preemie that would likely have dies 100 years ago might survive today. Maybe in another 100 years we'll be able to grow a fertilized egg all the way from conception to "full term" outside of the womb. Does this mean we are changing when "life" begins?
I know, that's the issue in determining when "life" truly begins. There are many definitions. Sperm itself won't grow into a person, but they are alive.

Bacteria is a living thing. Humans, animals and insects are alive, so are plants.

Personally, I am pro-choice up until after the first-trimester. I don't think any abortion should be paid for by the government although I'm somewhat on the fence about that one, because if the Mother doesn't want the kid, it ends up in the system anyways.
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If a kid is unwanted there is a good chance somehow, someway the kid will be taken care of by the tax payers. If the mom is poor, they are instantly put on Medicaid and then WIC.

We should be handing out Plan B pills like Halloween candy.
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Scientific data, not religious data, shows there is no affect on kids being raised by homosexual parents. I'm willing to bet altar boys being groped by priests is more damaging.

Marriage, civil union, domestic partnership.....it's all semantics. If the Reps don't want to support gay "marriage" then support gay "civil unions."

Be pro-life, but give up when life actually happens. The whole life begins at conception thing is BS for two reasons. 1. Sperm is technically living cells. If you are true full on pro-life, beating off in the shower is genocide. 2. Until the fetus can live outside of the womb even with extra medical equipment, it is nothing but a parasite. A fetus can usually survive outside of the womb at 20-23 weeks with medical equipment.
I did find a study that does show children that come from a home with gay parents, male or female shows that kids do better if raised in the home of biological parents.

It is a bit of a long read.

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-st...vious-research

When a dog is pregnant do you say that the dog is carring a fetus? or pregnant with puppies? When a women is pregnant she is having a baby. Why does the doctor tell a pregnant mother to refrain from smoking or drinking or doing drugs? Maybe it will harm the baby. By calling it a fetus you are trying to make the unborn less of a person.Your fetus argument holds no water.

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Arguing about personal beliefs. This is funny. So who has been convined to change their mind now? Anyone?? Hello??? Anyone????


Bible says life at conception, Greasemonkey says life once it is no longer a parasite. Both very good sources of info, but I will go with the bible.
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Christian fear-mongering at it's finest. "If people act differently than me, society will crumble!" You're advocating nothing more than a conspiracy theory. You do realize that gay marriage has been legal in Canada for over 7 years and they haven't seen a reduction in new births, an increase in gay children nor an overall degradation of society. The general population realizes that your claims are simply not true.
And you are getting your information from a liberal news paper of liberal TV station?
I think if we looked to any european country that has open homosexuality and observe the society as a whole we would see a drastic difference from what it was to what it is now.

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and then.....what would you do when he asked you to walk him down the aisle to fullfill his desire to be married to his partner? To provide the same monogomous commitment to his partner has you have to yours? To have a companion for life like you have for yours, what do you do then?

Love the sinner, hate the sin. I would not condon that lifestyle. See you can still love a person but not what they do.

Look I think homosexuality is weird as hell, but its certainly not of any concern to me if they want to commit into a marriage to each other.

As far as kids are concerned, prove it? show me how two dads is worse than none, show me a kid who grew up with two moms who is a detriment to society.....

You're really reaching here dude. I would venture a guess that the percentage of children who grow up in a gay household who turn out to committ suicide, or to be axe murderers, rapists, and career criminials is a lot smaller than the percentage of kids who grow up in a divorced family, normal family, or single parent family.
I did ad a link to a study that was done and.... well read it and see.
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As silly as it sounds, the last episode of Boston Legal impacted me on the issues of mono sex marriage. Note, I didn't say gay. Gay marriage has the connotation of sexual. The last episode of Boston Legal was based on 2 best friends, both male who loved each other as brothers. Neither had a significant other and one had just been diagnosed with Alzheimers. He asked his best friend to care for him as his illness was sure to take his life. This way, his married partner could make legal and medical decisions for him and he knew he would be in the hands of someone who cared about him. He also wanted his friend to inherit his assets and felt that as married, it would avoid probate, taxes, etc.
The arguement was very compelling.

Now, regarding the sexual side of gay marriage, I can't comprehend it and think it is morally wrong. Is it legally wrong? I don't think it is for me to say.
I've heard similar argument with 2 single mothers wanting to get "married" so that they can pool their resources and both be considered a parent of each others children. I've said it before that I think the problem is that the debate about gay marriage should really be about why does government recognize any 2 people differently just because they are considered "married", and should extended to others outside of the traditional definition of "marriage".
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