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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #161
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Where did "I" over reach. Just because I don't believe what you do.
Don't you see, the very fact that this thread was started, is helping the seperation. Did not the Christians vote the same as you did?
You seriously don't see the difference between simply believing differently than someone else and thinking that your beliefs should be the law, forcing those with differing views to comply with yours?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #162
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Where did "I" over reach. Just because I don't believe what you do.
Don't you see, the very fact that this thread was started, is helping the seperation. Did not the Christians vote the same as you did?
The point was that the far right conservatives are pushing the socially liberal but fiscally conservative over to the left based solely on how extreme some of the far rights social views are.

Aber claims this creates unity, where as fence sitting creates seperation.

He's more than 100% wrong.

People with an open mind who can see both sides of the argument and associate with valid logic from both sides creates unity, being closedminded and only being able to see the word of god (christian god that is) is never going to create unity in a nation that has accepted all walks of the social scale, all religions, and granted citizenship to so many different people with so many different religious beliefs.

You see the difference is respecting others beliefs, not thinking that ones own belief is the only way to go.
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Until the bible beaters quit making anti-gay and anti-abortion the cornerstone of their political stand in the Republican party we better get used to a Democrat as a President.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #164
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Until the bible beaters quit making anti-gay and anti-abortion the cornerstone of their political stand in the Republican party we better get used to a Democrat as a President.
Yes, but you'll never get it through their heads. Fordflareside is about as nice and reasonable of a guy as you will ever meet and it's still hard to get him to see the other side of the coin when there is a religious facet to the argument.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:01 PM   #165
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Since this always seems to go religious I have a legitimate question.

Obviously I am not as "up" on some of this Bible stuff as most are here and apparently we have differing ideas of what this all means.

What exactly did God, Jesus, Moses, The Bible, etc... say about "spreading his word"?

I would appreciate some passages that say this, not just what you feel you should be doing.
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Yes, but you'll never get it through their heads. Fordflareside is about as nice and reasonable of a guy as you will ever meet and it's still hard to get him to see the other side of the coin when there is a religious facet to the argument.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #167
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How about we say fukc the Republicans and fukc the Democrats and spend the next four years trying to build a legitimate third party. A party that will appeal to those who don't want to continue to mortgage our great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren's futures. A party that doesn't give a shit about the personal choices people make as long as they are contributing members to society?

I think a party like that is where I fit. I've began to realize I fit in this, "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" label people seem to be throwing out. And at that the only reason I think I fit the liberal part is I just don't give a fukc what people do as long as they pull their own weight. I guess that would make me more, "socially no fucks given, fiscally conservative".

Most people I know, and have talked to seem like they would have fit perfectly into this party. Even some of the ones that may have been a little bit farther left or right would probably have gone along with the idea given the far left/right views each candidate had.

But it seems like that is all a pipe dream. Neither side will ever come closer to the middle, if anything they seem to be drifting farther away.

Fuck it, I'm off to go design plastic drive trains and chase unicorns with cerial. Probably have a better chance of seeing those come to fruition...
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You just described the moderate middle this country is in dire need of. I have said it 100 times the last month that both parties need to find a way into the middle. Not a tea party, not a communist, not a christian conservative, but a who cares what you do be responsible for yourself and help this country get out of debt and move forward.....
"socially liberal, fiscally conservative"

You just described the Libertarian party. There was this guy who ran for president once, his name was Ron Paul....

....come on in the water is warm.
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"socially liberal, fiscally conservative"

You just described the Libertarian party. There was this guy who ran for president once, his name was Ron Paul....

....come on in the water is warm.
Ron Paul came across as much of a quack as Aber.
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You seriously don't see the difference between simply believing differently than someone else and thinking that your beliefs should be the law, forcing those with differing views to comply with yours?
I do, however you dont even want my belief/opinion heard.
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Until the bible beaters quit making anti-gay and anti-abortion the cornerstone of their political stand in the Republican party we better get used to a Democrat as a President.
Exactly! Completely agree with Kickstand's comments too (too lazy to copy the quote).
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Since this always seems to go religious I have a legitimate question.

Obviously I am not as "up" on some of this Bible stuff as most are here and apparently we have differing ideas of what this all means.

What exactly did God, Jesus, Moses, The Bible, etc... say about "spreading his word"?

I would appreciate some passages that say this, not just what you feel you should be doing.

This is a respectful way of asking, and I thank you.

I will get you the information you ask.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:25 PM   #174
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for both posts, you know for a fact that it was a Christian that did the violent act? I didn't see it.

Its hear say, propaganda and the likes.
I figured that no matter what I posted, you would state that. I almost put up BS links to see if you would even follow them. You ask for proof, I provide it. You disregard, state it's not enough. No matter how far it goes, you'll just put your head in the sand and wave it off.

If I prove the person did it as part of their Christian views, you'll state it's not your demonimation. I find a guy from your church that did it, well he wasn't really one of us, etc.

It's always the same line of BS in dealing with extremists.

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Disregard everything I have said,............if................you take it upon yourself to live your life thinking of others and acting toward others as you would want them to do to you. You do, and I will do it. Problem solved.
Funny enough, the main thing I teach my daughters is "Treat others the way you would like to be treated." But I don't put caveats on it.

So why don't you try living this way, too?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #175
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I have 2 main mottos.

Live by the Golden Rule "Treat others the way you would like to be treated."
Happy wife = Happy life
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I've added your second golden rule to my list of golden rules to live by as well. But I don't want to teach my daughter's that as if it were to get into the wrong hands, it could make for one poor son-in-law.
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So treating others as you want to be treated only extends to those that believe as you do? You have to admit the hypocrisy in your previous statement. Just so I'm clear, you're standing by your statement that Christian "values", when it comes to abortion and gay marriage should, be built into this nation's legislature? And with that, we're back to square one and you've negated your former statement. That is precisely the angst against over-reaching Christians and the blatant hypocrisy.
This dergrades society as a whole. It devalues life as nothing more than trash.
Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. If the gay community want to get together and be united great, I have no problem with that and so do many other people, but it is not a marriage. Throughout history marriage is between two different sexes, male and female. Homosexuality affects children the most. Is not the right thing to do to protect our children?
They are the next generation to run this country.
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Until the bible beaters quit making anti-gay and anti-abortion the cornerstone of their political stand in the Republican party we better get used to a Dictator as a President.
Fixed it for ya.
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This dergrades society as a whole. It devalues life as nothing more than trash.
Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. If the gay community want to get together and be united great, I have no problem with that and so do many other people, but it is not a marriage. Throughout history marriage is between two different sexes, male and female. Homosexuality affects children the most. Is not the right thing to do to protect our children?
They are the next generation to run this country.
Aber what would u say to your kid if they ( boy or girl) where gay?
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Since this always seems to go religious I have a legitimate question.

Obviously I am not as "up" on some of this Bible stuff as most are here and apparently we have differing ideas of what this all means.

What exactly did God, Jesus, Moses, The Bible, etc... say about "spreading his word"?

I would appreciate some passages that say this, not just what you feel you should be doing.
I believe it is called, The Great Commission. Matthew 28:16

Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.(P) 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.(Q) 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,(R) baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(S) 20 and teaching(T) them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you(U) always, to the very end of the age.”(V)

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