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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:17 AM   #121
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Every family has disagreements but we resolve them. This may also make you blow your top but we stand on the what the word of God says.

blah blah blah not doing so good on our pact to not try to jam your 3" god filled cock down everyone's throat are you? You may tickle the sides, but it's never gonna be considered deep throating. Give it a fucking rest. PEOPLE HAVE OTHER BELEIFS THAN YOU AND THAT IS OK!!!

Ok now you are just being disrespectful. If you want me to respond to your comments then please control yourself.
more my god is the only way bullshit...THIS is why our country is currently fucked for the next 4 years, people like you that push others away, or don't even vote because you are so self centered and stuck on your bullshit....it's never going to be perfect, choose a candidate for the best interest of the country and realize that the "melting pot" isn't a christian safe haven, its a country filled with all walks of life and that is what was "supposed" to make it great.

Had he been a bit more nuetral, or, had some of those people realized that the government doesn't need to stick its nose so damn far into social issues.
You don't seem to realize but those social issues degrade society as a whole and as time goes on those social issues will only get worse and more acceptable.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:19 AM   #122
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I predict a Christian civil war or at least a Republican movement to disassociate themselves with these over-bearing, holier than thou types that are doing nothing but dividing us and creating angst, all in the name of God (can you say non-violent jihadist?). Jesus would shit a cross if he could see the hatred these people are promoting in his name.

There will come a time when open-minded, progressive Christians reach a boiling point and no longer want to be associated with the negativity and stagnant mindset. Relating that to politics, it's necessary if we ever want to see a conservative president again.
I predict that you sir, will become the second Steveo.
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I predict that you sir, will become the second Steveo.
I guess you agree with me.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #124
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I guess you agree with me.
No, I just understand that your entire reason for posting in this thread is to piss-off as many Christians as you can. I don't believe you have posted anything constructive, and for that matter the things that you are accusing others of doing, you are doing yourself, but just dont realize it.
I've said my piece, now go down stairs and wash your hands for breakfast, your mommy has breakfast on the table for you.
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No, I just understand that your entire reason for posting in this thread is to piss-off as many Christians as you can. I don't believe you have posted anything constructive, and for that matter the things that you are accusing others of doing, you are doing yourself, but just dont realize it.
I've said my piece, now go down stairs and wash your hands for breakfast, your mommy has breakfast on the table for you.
Oh you're pissed off? Where in your response is the constructive part? The part about my mommy? That was intelligently thought out. I think my point is very clear. You've yet to defend the fact that we will not see another conservative president unless the Christian extremists are pushed aside. Fortunately, it will happen naturally, since we now have a younger generation that is growing up with technology and science at their fingertips and won't simply follow as sheep without questioning what's truly right and wrong.
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I see where Scott2.0 is coming from but I think he is underestimating the amount of religious right people who would rather give up the fiscal conservative part before the religious aspect. In speaking with some coworkers who are very religious, in discussion I brought up abortion and gay marriage and if the GOP were to favor those, how would they feel about that. They said that they would not vote at all if that were the case.

I think the abortion issue is particularly deep for religious people and asking them to compromise on that isn't going to happen.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #127
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Oh you're pissed off? Where in your response is the constructive part? The part about my mommy? That was intelligently thought out. I think my point is very clear. You've yet to defend the fact that we will not see another conservative president unless the Christian extremists are pushed aside. Fortunately, it will happen naturally, since we now have a younger generation that is growing up with technology and science at their fingertips and won't simply follow as sheep without questioning what's truly right and wrong.



I've said my piece,...........but in an attempt to give you my understanding. I will put it in outline form.
  • you posted in a thread to bully someone you thought wouldn't fight back, or to lure someone in you could dimeaner.
  • Your general consensus is that all religious people, but mostly Christians are stupid people
  • You realish the day when this Country decides to shut us up, preferably by kicking religios people out of the Republican party.
  • you think generations previous to you were not intelligent enough to get it right, therefore only the masses that believe like you know the best for the Country.
  • Your despise for religion blinds your eyesight towards anything the religious does, so you can not see the "good" that has been done in the Republican party.
I think I have a pretty decent understanding of what you are trying to do. Whatever way you try to hide it in your educated writings, it still can be seen.


Is that good enough?


The difference between you and I, is that I believe we can make things happen to the good if we "All" work together. You seem to want to trim the the edges because for some reason you don't like the taste.

I also want to admit my failure, because I let your school yard tactics "also" suck me into this thread. I apologize for that.

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I've said my piece,...........but in an attempt to give you my understanding. I will put it in outline form.
  • you posted in a thread to bully someone you thought wouldn't fight back, or to lure someone in you could dimeaner.

    Bully? I've presented counterpoints. If you can't debate a topic without feeling bullied you may want to stay out of the PGR board.
  • Your general consensus is that all religious people, but mostly Christians are stupid people

    I never said that.
  • You realish the day when this Country decides to shut us up, preferably by kicking religios people out of the Republican party.

    My point is that it will happen on it's own whether I relish the day it does or not. I am a fiscal conservative so I want nothing more than the GOP to succeed. It won't until it separates itself from the religious extremists that would rather destroy the party than compromise. Fiscal conservatism > social issues. That's something the religious far right can't wrap their heads around.
  • you think generations previous to you were not intelligent enough to get it right, therefore only the masses that believe like you know the best for the Country.

    I never said that either. It is a valid point that the newer generations have much greater access to research, technology and science and have a different "normal" than generations of the past. That will change the social landscape whether you're ready for it or not.
  • Your despise for religion blinds your eyesight towards anything the religious does, so you can not see the "good" that has been done in the Republican party.

    Not at all. I previously mentioned the positive traits of Christianity. I did, however, mention that those positives are being grossly overshadowed by those Christians that advocate against what they think is wrong, rather than promoting the positives. That is not the right strategy to promote good and to shed positivity on the group. If Christians want to remain relevant they need a new strategy that revolves around helping and promoting good rather than fighting losing battles on trying to conquer "evil".
I think I have a pretty decent understanding of what you are trying to do. Whatever way you try to hide it in your educated writings, it still can be seen.


Is that good enough?


The difference between you and I, is that I believe we can make things happen to the good if we "All" work together. You seem to want to trim the the edges because for some reason you don't like the taste.

I also want to admit my failure, because I let your school yard tactics "also" suck me into this thread. I apologize for that.

You mean presenting a differing viewpoint?
That was a tough read but I've responded above. Since you don't like the harsh nature of my stance against what you believe, you seem to want to twist my words and have yet to offer a valid counterpoint. I'll standby while you think.
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I see where Scott2.0 is coming from but I think he is underestimating the amount of religious right people who would rather give up the fiscal conservative part before the religious aspect. In speaking with some coworkers who are very religious, in discussion I brought up abortion and gay marriage and if the GOP were to favor those, how would they feel about that. They said that they would not vote at all if that were the case.

I think the abortion issue is particularly deep for religious people and asking them to compromise on that isn't going to happen.
Exactly my point. That goes to show those far right religious folks are more concerned with promoting their agenda than promoting a fiscally responsible nation. The true fiscal conservatives will not allow religion to get in the way of a balanced budget forever.
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That was a tough read but I've responded above. Since you don't like the harsh nature of my stance against what you believe, you seem to want to twist my words and have yet to offer a valid counterpoint. I'll standby while you think.
I also read into your posts that you consider all Christians as a nusiance and anyone older is simply an old fool. If that is your opinion, I feel bad for you. If it is not your opinion, as you now state, maybe toning down what you say would help.
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In his final post, I'm right where Scott2.0 is. I can't say I agree with all of the other BS, but this is 100% true in my book:

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I am a fiscal conservative so I want nothing more than the GOP to succeed. It won't until it separates itself from the religious extremists that would rather destroy the party than compromise. Fiscal conservatism > social issues. That's something the religious far right can't wrap their heads around.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #132
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I also read into your posts that you consider all Christians as a nusiance and anyone older is simply an old fool. If that is your opinion, I feel bad for you. If it is not your opinion, as you now state, maybe toning down what you say would help.
If you read with words and not with emotion you will see that I never said what you accused me of saying. Do you have a counterpoint or you just wanted to share your feelings?
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That was a tough read but I've responded above. Since you don't like the harsh nature of my stance against what you believe, you seem to want to twist my words and have yet to offer a valid counterpoint. I'll standby while you think.
Maybe I am reading between the lines too much.........

However I don't believe there is anything I can say that will give you the perspective I am trying to show. We do not have the same mindset. The views that you have distributed are probably the majority of the Republican party. However that in itself does not prove superiority.

My major pet peave on this issue, is the fear I have of a mindset. One that allows the persecution of the religious in this country because they have a belief unlike yours or the masses. I believe threads like this one, is a building block to that achievement.
What sadden's me the most, is that their are people already to this point.
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My major pet peave on this issue, is the fear I have of a mindset. One that allows the persecution of the religious in this country because they have a belief unlike yours or the masses. I believe threads like this one, is a building block to that achievement.
What sadden's me the most, is that their are people already to this point.
Like how the religious persecute gays? Like how the religious persecute those that would get an abortion in the case of rape?

That's my rub with organized religion. They scream about anybody that would think to throw stones at their glass house, while they throw them at others.
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Like how the religious persecute gays? Like how the religious persecute those that would get an abortion in the case of rape?

That's my rub with organized religion. They scream about anybody that would think to throw stones at their glass house, while they throw them at others.

Show me the persecution.........
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Like how the religious persecute gays? Like how the religious persecute those that would get an abortion in the case of rape?

That's my rub with organized religion. They scream about anybody that would think to throw stones at their glass house, while they throw them at others.
agree, and agree.

I have no rpoblem with religion, but YOU all must realize at some point that not everyone feels that way, every one will never all feel that same way, and you need to hold your beliefs as you see fit for your family, friends, and fellow church members, but realize that as a nation there are JUST as many other people who do not feel the same as you.

There needs to be a seperation of social, fiscal, and religious issues when voting, unfortunately that is just how it is.
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Show me the persecution.........
How about spending millions of dollars, that could otherwise go to help people, on Prop 8 promotion, anti-abortion lobbying, lobbying for the protection of marriage act (or whatever it's called)?

Let's get one thing straight. I'm not for the persecution or silencing of Christians. On the contrary, I will fight for your right to practice your religion. I firmly believe that that protection stops at the beginning of government though and that is my point. Not only does Christian-rooted legislation stomp on the rights of those that follow other faiths or none at all, but it grossly diminishes the effectiveness of the GOP when it comes to fiscal conservatism. If we can let the women retain the right to choose and let Bob marry Jim, we can focus on what really matters; keeping the libs from mortgaging our futures with frivolous spending and handouts. We need to get over these hurdles before any progress can be made. Hopefully these will be moot points by the time 2016 rolls around.
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How about spending millions of dollars, that could otherwise go to help people, on Prob 8 promotion, anti-abortion lobbying, lobbying for the protection of marriage act (or whatever it's called)?

Let's get one thing straight. I'm not for the persecution or silencing of Christians. On the contrary, I will fight for your right to practice your religion. I firmly believe that that protection stops at the beginning of government and that is my point. Not only does Christian-rooted legislation stomp on the rights of those that follow other faiths or none at all, but it grossly diminishes the effectiveness of the GOP when it comes to fiscal conservatism. If we can let the women retain the right to choose and let Bob marry Jim, we can focus on what really matters; keeping the libs from mortgaging out future with frivolous spending and handouts. We need to get over these hurdles before any progress can be made. Hopefully these will be moot points by the time 2016 rolls around.
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How about spending millions of dollars, that could otherwise go to help people, on Prop 8 promotion, anti-abortion lobbying, lobbying for the protection of marriage act (or whatever it's called)?

Let's get one thing straight. I'm not for the persecution or silencing of Christians. On the contrary, I will fight for your right to practice your religion. I firmly believe that that protection stops at the beginning of government though and that is my point. Not only does Christian-rooted legislation stomp on the rights of those that follow other faiths or none at all, but it grossly diminishes the effectiveness of the GOP when it comes to fiscal conservatism. If we can let the women retain the right to choose and let Bob marry Jim, we can focus on what really matters; keeping the libs from mortgaging our futures with frivolous spending and handouts. We need to get over these hurdles before any progress can be made. Hopefully these will be moot points by the time 2016 rolls around.
I'm sorry but spending money on legislation is not Persecution. If you would like to see persecution, you need to go into Berma, PawPaw, eastern Africa, Iran, ect...
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It would be interesting too see why people are on the GOP side. Fiscal V religious. I wish there were numbers on this.
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