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Old November 21st, 2006, 08:14 PM   #1
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i can see you are all for it, me i would rather nuke china.
that country is so polluted over there already, i would be doing them a favor
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Against because it does not support the economic needs of a single country, aka the U.S.

Outsourcing is bullshit. This country's businesses have lost their pride in employing American workers, and have lost their American pride in a general sense.

Not to mention consumers have lost their pride in America, and overall do not give two shits about where the products they buy are built/assembled, or where the company's base of operations is located.
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You are right. They now care about the products that are of the highest quality at the lowest cost.
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I am for it and against....

I am all for another country to try to better itself by building factories and these people have the right to work hard and make a living for themselves.

I am not for countries doing what China is doing and that is polluting the air and the water just to make a buck for the CEO.

I am not for multi national companies to move into a place like China and take advantage of the workers and send the profits to line the pockets of the share holders.

The people getting rich are not the Chinese workers but the CEOs and top brass of the multinationals. And dare I say it the stock holders of the multinationals.... I have some stocks and part of that comes back to me. but not enough to trade my own wage for.

I work in IT and I work with a software shop in India everyday. I even had to train an Indian for my best friends job. Talk about a raw deal. It was do it or loose my own job. With a wife and two babies in the house... as hard as it was I had to put food on the table. There were parts of the training when Ken had to train his replacement Indian. I am not sure how he mustard the strenght to do it. Talk about honnor.

Specifically in IT and programmer working in India earns 1/5 to 1/10 that of an American Programmer. And will work 60 hour weeks for that 1/5 pay.

Right now I feel that there is a race to push down the wage and working conditions here in Amercia until we are the 3rd world country with cheap lablor force and a rich ruling class of people that happen to be well connected and own everything.

What has made the USA great for the last 200+ years was the fact that with hard work your kids could lead a better life than you did. I do not believe that the life my kids will lead will be anywhere as good as my own because they will not have any good way to earn a living...

I fear that by the time they hit the work force there will be little to no work here in the states. All of the entry level jobs, hotel maids, burger flipers checkout clerks will be done buy guest workers. All of the high tech jobs will be over seas.


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You are right. They now care about the products that are of the highest quality at the lowest cost.
Oh yes, because outsourcing things like radiology, automotive design, and other things to India is definately of the highest quality.
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Against because it does not support the economic needs of a single country, aka the U.S.

Outsourcing is bullshit. This country's businesses have lost their pride in employing American workers, and have lost their American pride in a general sense.

Not to mention consumers have lost their pride in America, and overall do not give two shits about where the products they buy are built/assembled, or where the company's base of operations is located.
No one ever seems to understand the fact that it is the AMERICAN stockholder that drive companies to outsource, cut jobs, lower quality, increase prices, etc... Stockholders want growth. Nothing else. They want to see their own personal portfolio grow at least 10-15% per year. If you fail to do that, stockholders will jump ship, crush the stock price, kill the companies investment rating, make it impossible to secure financing, and send it into bankruptcy. It is that same American greed that thinks that some doofus should be paid $25/hour to push a broom that drives the stock market, that drives corporate decisions.

I'm not for globalization and I am not against it. It is a reality. It is the way business is done and will be done. It's a normal business cycle. It's been done since early civilization. Remember the spice routes to China? They've been the low cost provider for centuries, not just the past 20 years.
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I am not sure how I feel about it. But GM, there is a much bigger picture for you to consider.

When you walk into a store, do you buy US only products?
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When you walk into a store, do you buy US only products?
It is impossible to buy US only made products at this point. There is almost no US production of anything electronic at this point, except some high end products. Even those will contain parts made elsewhere. If you watch TV, it isn't made in the US. The computer you post from. Nope. Not made in the US. Good luck trying to survive by only buying products made here. For anything other than custom or high end products, they aren't made here. Show me ONE automobile made in the past 20 years that contains 100% parts made in the US. You can't do it. Heck, I doubt you can find a bike anymore that doesn't have at least one part made outside the US on it.
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I am not sure how I feel about it. But GM, there is a much bigger picture for you to consider.

When you walk into a store, do you buy US only products?
No, because many times I do not have that choice. When I do have the choice, I will buy a made in the USA product over a non-one, even if it is a little more expensive. Not all the time can I buy a US made product, and in that case I try to buy from the company who has their headquarters in this country.
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No, because many times I do not have that choice. When I do have the choice, I will buy a made in the USA product over a non-one, even if it is a little more expensive. Not all the time can I buy a US made product, and in that case I try to buy from the company who has their headquarters in this country.
A little?

I have seen alot of Made in USA items almost twice the price. ALSO, imagine we didn't have imports. What do you think the average price of things would now be? Also what items you likely wouldn't have.
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It is impossible to buy US only made products at this point. There is almost no US production of anything electronic at this point, except some high end products. Even those will contain parts made elsewhere. If you watch TV, it isn't made in the US. The computer you post from. Nope. Not made in the US. Good luck trying to survive by only buying products made here. For anything other than custom or high end products, they aren't made here. Show me ONE automobile made in the past 20 years that contains 100% parts made in the US. You can't do it. Heck, I doubt you can find a bike anymore that doesn't have at least one part made outside the US on it.
I don't disagree.
My father in-law is a devout union worker. Bitches about globalization and whatnot, and first store he goes to shop at when he needs something is Menards. He then buys the cheapest item he can. Not quality, doesn't care the brand or anything. Just price.
This is what I cannot follow.
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This question came up a couple years ago . Every one was for it then and called me old fashioned . I see the sword has swung and learn do the young


Same thing i said then . When you are the biggest fish in the see ( USA ) there is nothing to gain and much to loose . Like your jobs duh .

It amounts to communisim on a global scale , share the wealth but they never share back .
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I don't disagree.
My father in-law is a devout union worker. Bitches about globalization and whatnot, and first store he goes to shop at when he needs something is Menards. He then buys the cheapest item he can. Not quality, doesn't care the brand or anything. Just price.
This is what I cannot follow.
These are the same people that blame Wal-Mart for putting local stores out of business, even though they don't shop at the local stores either. I tried to convince my mom recently that Wal-Mart is not to blame. It is the people that shop there who are at fault. She couldn't get it. It's a lot like the Scion my wife saw a couple weeks ago with the UAW sticker on it. Is the driver retarded and doesn't know that it's a Toyota?

G-Man- Your understanding of economics and business is mind-boggling. Somehow people can't understand that the US is only 300 million people out of 6.5 Billion in the world. We aren't the big fish anymore. The Chinese outnumber us and have the buying power to push us wherever they want. They don't even need their military to do it. The wars of the future are already happening in the currency and commodity markets. Who do you think lends all that money to the US government so that we can continue our slate of social welfare bullshit that supports people that are "entitled" to sit at home because companies can't afford to pay them $60/hour anymore?
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A little?

I have seen alot of Made in USA items almost twice the price. ALSO, imagine we didn't have imports. What do you think the average price of things would now be? Also what items you likely wouldn't have.
Twice the price can be a big difference for what you're talking about.

A $2 foreign made razor that will fall apart in a year compared to a $4 US made razor blade that might last three, I'll by the more expensive one.

Now if you're talking say houses for example. If the only two choices I have is a $250,000 foreign made house, and a $500,000 US made house, and I only make $60K a year or something, I could only afford the cheaper one.

I own a Honda motorcycle. It's a great bike and I love it, but I would rather have something American made. But, to get something comparable to my motorcycle, it's almost three times the price of my bike. Economics still drives my decisions to some point.

There's no doubt that globalization is great for the consumer. I would never pay $5 for a rubber bouncy ball made in the US, but for $0.25 out of a vending machine, sure why not.

For some things it's good, for others it's not. I am against any globalization that kills out the US middle class workforce, and anything than can jeopardize medical type things (outsourcing of radiology), and for things that are very vital to the US economy, like the auto business for example.
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Simply pointing out I don't think you can have your choice on globalization. If its all or nothing what do you choose?

What do you think that bike or that house would cost if there wasn't outside competition to keep the price down?

Also, for the record in hindsight I wish globalization had never happened. If that means no ammentities that we currently have then that is even better!

I have been thinking heavily of purchasing a farm out west after my job is gone here.
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Make sure you buy those Chinese cows. They eat 1/10th the hay an American cow eats, produce 10x more milk, and work twice the hours. Then you can make it sew itself into 2.5 soccer balls for Nike when it goes dry.
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Make sure you buy those Chinese cows. They eat 1/10th the hay an American cow eats, produce 10x more milk, and work twice the hours. Then you can make it sew itself into 2.5 soccer balls for Nike when it goes dry.


I hope you all know I was merely playing the devils advocate here.
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