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Old November 2nd, 2012, 06:10 PM   #1
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There are things I keep hearing in the ongoing political debate that bug me to death - because they're unproven accusations widely accepted as fact.

Romney's "War on Women"

What I see: Romney's opposition to Obamacare, which would require insurers (which may be the government) to pay for birth control and abortions is not a "war on women"; not paying for something is not the same as denying it to them.

To create a sound bite, the "was on women" was created, largely based on comments from Rick Santorum, who expressed that he personally didn't believe in birth control - which he has the freedom to do.

Romney's "War on the Middle Class"

Willard is a rich guy - a really Rich guy. Although he's from a rich family, he went out and made his own money - although it's pretty certain his family connections and pedigree helped him a LOT.

He made most of his money running a company he helped found that specialized in starting new businesses or turning failing ones (bought at a discount) around. When you specialize in buying failing or failed businesses, you're gonna lose a few - and they did. Trying to save businesses and failing on some isn't a war on the middle class - it's an attempt to help the middle class by preserving or creating jobs. It's the same flawed logic that would describe Oncologists as murderers because some patients recover and others die.

A plan to fix our tax system to benefit businesses without penalizing individuals and families is very pro-middle class. Healthy, growing businesses employ people and grow wages. Weak, stunted and stagnant businesses lay people off and move to find greener pastures.

Can anyone cite real, legitimate cases of Romney/Ryan positions that constitute a war on the middle class. I don't think it exists.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 06:16 PM   #2
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Just to point out some hypocrisy, I love how the dems have Bill Clinton stumping for them all the while screaming we love tits ...um women.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 08:04 PM   #3
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Can anyone cite real, legitimate cases of Romney/Ryan positions that constitute a war on the middle class. I don't think it exists.
No, because he has not been specific about just which deductions he plans on eliminating. Most analyses of his plan suggest that some of the deductions he would have to eliminate to reach his stated budgetary goals would have to dig into some of the ones used most by the middle class, like the deduction of mortgage interest.

But because he has refused repeated requests for more details I cannot cite anything concrete.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 08:05 PM   #4
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Just to point out some hypocrisy, I love how the dems have Bill Clinton stumping for them all the while screaming we love tits ...um women.
No hypocrisy there. Clinton definitely loves the ladies.
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No hypocrisy there. Clinton definitely loves the ladies.
Yes, yes he does.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 08:35 PM   #6
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Default Financing the sham, The Truth Hurts.

It is simply a shame that a man can not get elected to office by telling the truth.

The amount of austerity that will be needed to bring fiscal responsibility to our government would be embraced by almost no one.

If some one stood up and told the masses the truth about what was going to be taken away, not only would that person not get elected, there would be riots in the streets, I.E. Spain, Portugal, Greece, Itally, France. I am unsure of how long our country will be able to continue the sham of buying our own treasury bonds to fund unsistanable "free" expenditures. However I am sure that when it crashes it will be a stunning shock to most.

I do not believe eather of the two that are currently running for the presidentcy intend to "fix" the economy. As it can not be "fixed" at this point and look like the present system.

I am not voting for eather of the candidates, I am not voting for the least of two evils.

I am strategically voting against the socialist agenda of the Obama administration.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 08:47 PM   #7
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No, because he has not been specific about just which deductions he plans on eliminating. Most analyses of his plan suggest that some of the deductions he would have to eliminate to reach his stated budgetary goals would have to dig into some of the ones used most by the middle class, like the deduction of mortgage interest.

But because he has refused repeated requests for more details I cannot cite anything concrete.
They've flat-out said the mortgage interest deduction would be at risk. However, you need to see the rates before calling it a loss. A 14% tax rate w/o deductions is better than a 20% tax rate with 5% in deductions.

It's like the problem JC Penney is having. They dropped the constant "sales" and expensive coupons and flyers in exchange for lower prices all the time. Ad it's not working - people WANT the sales and hype rather than just lower prices.

And remember the real benefit - small businesses will have a lower rate and can afford to hire.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 09:32 PM   #8
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I'm not convinced that any one person can have a measurable impact on the economy. Bush did not create the mess Obie 'inherited' any more than Obie caused the collapse.

It's years of the government, judicial system, and economic system being twisted to benefit the people who are in power so that they can remain in power- because that's what is lusted after. Oprah, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, even local Matty Maroun all have shitloads of money, but not any overarching power.


People get bogged down in demonizing the wealthy for misusing their power, but although those in power are wealthy, not all the wealthy are powerful. It's a fine distinction, but an important one.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:13 PM   #9
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They've flat-out said the mortgage interest deduction would be at risk. However, you need to see the rates before calling it a loss. A 14% tax rate w/o deductions is better than a 20% tax rate with 5% in deductions.

It's like the problem JC Penney is having. They dropped the constant "sales" and expensive coupons and flyers in exchange for lower prices all the time. Ad it's not working - people WANT the sales and hype rather than just lower prices.

And remember the real benefit - small businesses will have a lower rate and can afford to hire.
That's just it, without specifics who knows? Maybe it will be awesome, maybe it will be terrible. The fact that he has not given out more information tells my one of 2 things. Either he doesn't know exactly what to do, or he does know but know it will be bad for lots of people so he doesn't want people to know.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:16 PM   #10
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I would not say that Mitt Romney has a "war on women" but he does have 8 sons and zero daughters..more like guerrilla warfare I think.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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the are practicing a war on women. look at hillary. she should have been the nominee in 2008 but along came barry and they dumped her even though she saved the party when she stood by billy instead of divorcing the creep. she didn't even get v.p. consideration.
then after the election they made her sec. of state and got her out of the country and out of their hair for 4 years. they send her to the middle east to make peace then cut her off at the knees with the white house policy of abandoning isreal. obummer's female cabinet heads are in the postions getting the most lightening strikes from the public and i do not recall the prez sticking up for them. yes, yes, i know he appointed a woman as a supreme. window dressing.
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There are things I keep hearing in the ongoing political debate that bug me to death - because they're unproven accusations widely accepted as fact.
People believe what they want. think Romney is the devil and think Obama is a muslim communist both sides have reasons of thinking so but I'm yet to see Romney grow horns or Obama starting bread lines or wearing full jihad gear.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #13
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I would not say that Mitt Romney has a "war on women" but he does have 8 sons and zero daughters..more like guerrilla warfare I think.
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I was at my inlaws yesterday. My mother in law firmly believes Romney has a war on women. She told me at one time Romney said women do not need to earn as much because they need to be in the kitchen. It was something to that effect anyway. I am unable to find anywhere where this was said. She also referenced the dog going through the car wash incident.
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I was at my inlaws yesterday. My mother in law firmly believes Romney has a war on women. She told me at one time Romney said women do not need to earn as much because they need to be in the kitchen. It was something to that effect anyway. I am unable to find anywhere where this was said. She also referenced the dog going through the car wash incident.
Wait what is that incident?

I heard on the radio this morning about Romney raising taxes on the middle class. It struck me as odd because he hasn't proposed any tax increases.

I think Mitt being a business man knows how to make the sacrifices to make the country run better than currently. The community organizer doesn't know how to make the tough decisions needed. If he is elected the citizens will probably vote in two years to have a democratic congress and we will have 2 years of grid lock. Then after those two years the citizens will be blaming Mitt for not getting anything done.

Neither candidate is going to fix the problem of the economy. The American people need to do that. The economy isn't going to be strong unless people start saving money to build wealth and stop incurring debt beyond their reasonable means. If you have debt to the point that you worry every month about which bills to pay you aren't living within your means. If you are one emergency away from financial ruin, you aren't living within your means. The way that debt is viewed by most Americans is how we could let ourselves build trillions in national debt. Spend today.. pay tomorrow only works until it's tomorrow and you have to pay for your debt.
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As the story goes... Back in the 80's Mitt took a family trip that had a 12 hour drive. They didn't have room for the dog so they loaded up the dog crate on top of the station wagon. They said they made an air damn in front of the crate to protect the do from the wind. The dog had diarrhea and got all over the dog and the car. Then the story goes two ways. Either 1 - Mitt noticed the shit everywhere when he stopped for gas and he cleaned off the dog and the car and went on his way or 2 - Mitt drove through a car wash with the dog in the crate on top of the car to clean it up.

My mother in law believes version #2.

I also agree with you that government will not fix the economy and it's up to the people. But it's up to the government to create an environment for businesses to flourish.
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