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Old November 3rd, 2012, 05:06 PM   #1
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I keep hearing that greed is destroying this country. But that capitalism and free markets are great. The reason free markets work well is that we all want MORE so we try harder. Does that not that make us greedy? The USA was started because we wanted to be rewarded for hard work, we founded this country on greed. We wanted to keep our earnings, not send it across the ocean.

Now if you want more you are a bad person, you should share more. If you are the best person at what you do and make 57 gajillion dollars a year your greedy. If I charge $1500 to fix something am I greedy?

I'm sick of complaints about greed, it built this ficking country. It will make us great again. Fuck all the other places, china is greedy as hell, they not only want our money but also our IP.

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I'm just sick of it. Why is greed a worse offense than lazy.
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I don't think it's so much just greed, but it's the short term thinking that looks a lot like greed that's killing us. Shareholders worrying about the quarterly profit vs long term growth. Politicians worrying about the next election cycle vs whats best for the country.
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I don't think it's so much just greed, but it's the short term thinking that looks a lot like greed that's killing us. Shareholders worrying about the quarterly profit vs long term growth. Politicians worrying about the next election cycle vs whats best for the country.
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Henry Ford once paid unprecedented wages, and it allowed his employees to buy his product, at less profit for him. It also allowed them to buy other stuff and grow the economy.

Now all you see are wages cut and benefits taken away.
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Henry Ford once paid unprecedented wages, and it allowed his employees to buy his product, at less profit for him. It also allowed them to buy other stuff and grow the economy.

Now all you see are wages cut and benefits taken away.
He didn't do it because he was a generous guy. He wanted to reduce attrition which costs more than paying workers a good wage to begin with. It brought the best workers, best trained individuals, and lowered his operating costs which improved his bottom line.
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He didn't do it because he was a generous guy. He wanted to reduce attrition which costs more than paying workers a good wage to begin with. It brought the best workers, best trained individuals, and lowered his operating costs which improved his bottom line.
And then the unions came...


Greed is a means to survive although a sin to be Overly greedy it is part of human nature to strive to be better and have more then one another. This encourages wrath among neighbors and although not perfect it weakens sloth.

Well it did anyway before "right to ..." and "fair" this and that were put into place. Now, greed is tied in with sloth in that people feel the wealthy who have worked to get that way either through family members or simply as individuals are some how the enemy.

I feel no sympathy for someone who is capable to promote there level of living and simply does not due to sloth. Everyone gets help along the way even if they do not realize it. But, not trying leads to nothing. If you do not like your place in life do not point fingers at those more successful then you calling them evil.

You want to bitch about other countries fine. You going to work for $3.50 a hour living on site with 3 other family's in a shipping container. The stuff is going over seas because that is what is needed to remain competitive. A American television would cost what like 6 times what a Chinese one would.

Lets see Sony at $325 or AM at $1700. Same size, same features, oh wait the Sony has more features actually. Lets go with the Sony.

If you do not like world commerce move to North Korea that seems to be working out just fine for them.

China realized a long time ago that those that work survive and those that do not die. But what about all the people that can't work?
There is no such thing as can not work it is a manner of determination. If you doubt this look at Steven Hawking, or anyone who has ever suffered a life changing event and through determination strives to be better overcoming there shortcomings to remain competitive.

I am not saying do not help people. I am just saying help them be better. in many cases sloth takes over due to the embrace of it.
My one grandmother on my mothers side is like 90 and has gone through a few hip surgeries still walks around the house and out on the town with my 92 year old grandfather. Looking at them they are seniors but by no means act old.
My grandmother on my fathers side is like 87 and she has had many of the same types of surgeries as my other grandmother yet she still uses a walker. It is not because she needed the walker she simply used it out of sloth and because she kept on using it now she feels she does need it which limits what she does. Her life has been affected by sloth because she choose it to be.

If you do not like your life then change it. Stop making excuses, find out what you need to do, and do it.
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Greed is destroying the country period. I dont believe it is greedy to earn as much as you want but how you do it makes a huge difference... If the way you earn your money effects others in a purposefully negative way then you are a greedy pig. We all do things that others may not agree with but if the intent is not to harm others than I dont believe it is greed but human nature to provide and succeed. The ways that built this country has slipped due to greedy pigs who dont care about what will happen to others but only to them.
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Greed is destroying the country period. I dont believe it is greedy to earn as much as you want but how you do it makes a huge difference... If the way you earn your money effects others in a purposefully negative way then you are a greedy pig. We all do things that others may not agree with but if the intent is not to harm others than I dont believe it is greed but human nature to provide and succeed. The ways that built this country has slipped due to greedy pigs who dont care about what will happen to others but only to them.
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how about anyone that uses politics to achieve wealth, or anyone that practices anti-competitive/monopolistic tendencies at the top of their game
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I keep hearing that greed is destroying this country. But that capitalism and free markets are great. The reason free markets work well is that we all want MORE so we try harder. Does that not that make us greedy? The USA was started because we wanted to be rewarded for hard work, we founded this country on greed. We wanted to keep our earnings, not send it across the ocean.

Now if you want more you are a bad person, you should share more. If you are the best person at what you do and make 57 gajillion dollars a year your greedy. If I charge $1500 to fix something am I greedy?

I'm sick of complaints about greed, it built this ficking country. It will make us great again. Fuck all the other places, china is greedy as hell, they not only want our money but also our IP.

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It really depends on ones definition of greed. For me greed is when the desire for wealth overrides moral and ethical restraint.

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Here is simple example which happens all over this country. The business we shared a building with for a short time was run by an owner who knowingly put his employees at unnecessary risk mixing noxious chemicals (they would feel sick and have to go home early). He did not pay his debts and changed company names on a regular basis to avoid those debts. He is a greedy, selfish bastard who will do anything and take advantage of anyone to make a buck.

Part of what is bringing this country down it is a lack of true leadership (ie leading by example) and the general acceptance that the ends justify the means, that it is ok to do anything to accumulate wealth.
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He didn't do it because he was a generous guy. He wanted to reduce attrition which costs more than paying workers a good wage to begin with. It brought the best workers, best trained individuals, and lowered his operating costs which improved his bottom line.
Exactly. He was thinking long term. He wasn't just looking at his quarterly profit, he was looking at what would lead to long term growth; a stable, loyal, dedicated, talented work force.
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Here is simple example which happens all over this country. The business we shared a building with for a short time was run by an owner who knowingly put his employees at unnecessary risk mixing noxious chemicals (they would feel sick and have to go home early). He did not pay his debts and changed company names on a regular basis to avoid those debts. He is a greedy, selfish bastard who will do anything and take advantage of anyone to make a buck.
Again, the problem here isn't so much greed as it is short term thinking. These type of actions will prevent this owner from ever having a really successful business.
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Again, the problem here isn't so much greed as it is short term thinking. These type of actions will prevent this owner from ever having a really successful business.
Yes indeed shortsightedness is a huge part of the problem, but being shortsighted and being unethical are two different things. Imo greed combined with selfishness is what pushes people to take unethical and/or immoral actions.

Have you heard of Greg Smith who quit Goldman Sachs and wrote a book about his time there? It is a reminder of how the actions of a greedy (or whatever you want to call it) few can affect us all.
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As Smith notes in his Afterword, these shenanigans ultimately affect many people -- from residents of Jefferson County, Alabama, to Greek citizens, to Mom-and-Pop investors -- that never asked to be involved in a trade with Goldman Sachs.

His book is yet another reminder that our capital markets are a casino where the game is rigged in favor of the house. Banks like Goldman have all of the information, and they take advantage of it. That doesn't always lead to financial blowups, but when it does, it affects all of us, and our faith in capital markets erodes a little more.

And his book also reminds us that these banks are fighting tooth and nail to make sure the game stays as rigged as possible, fighting regulation of opaque derivatives and prohibitions on proprietary trading.
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Here is simple example which happens all over this country. The business we shared a building with for a short time was run by an owner who knowingly put his employees at unnecessary risk mixing noxious chemicals (they would feel sick and have to go home early). He did not pay his debts and changed company names on a regular basis to avoid those debts. He is a greedy, selfish bastard who will do anything and take advantage of anyone to make a buck.

Part of what is bringing this country down it is a lack of true leadership (ie leading by example) and the general acceptance that the ends justify the means, that it is ok to do anything to accumulate wealth.
I believe this example falls far into the minority. For every bad employer, there are many good ones. I've never worked for anyone who has asked me to do something that was dangerous or illegal.
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