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Old October 31st, 2012, 05:11 PM   #41
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Most tire stores will only sell them it sets of 4, handling gets weird with just two.

I have had them, and highly recommend them. (and well, I know how much the Jesus stamp of approval means to you ).

I've had very good luck with Blizzaks. Nokians are very highly rated. Of course, I recommend anything from Continental or General Tire, since I work for them :-)

The GL4x4 is doing their typical "learn how to drive, technology is stupid and unnecessary" bit, but with a good ABS/ESP system (we also make these :-), and snow tires, the improvement is night and day over a regular car on all seasons. Braking is especially improved.

All of our vehicles are heavier 4wds on all terrains with good snow properties. But anything I own 2wd, I will always put on snow tires for the winter.

I'd also find a set of steel junkyard rims of the smallest diameter that works with your brakes and mount the tires to those. It gets old, and expensive swapping them twice a year...
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If you want them on the front, go to the store, have them installed. When they are done putting them on the rear, go home, and switch them around.
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My wife and I have ran Winterforce tires in the winter for the past 3 years. She went from being scared to drive in the winter to being very confident. Winterforce is one of the cheapest snow tires and they wear very well. My Dad runs them year round on his Silverado, he has to have at least 40k on the ones he has now and they are still good for this winter.
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Put them on all 4 and keep the traction balanced. If you only have them on the front and hit some uneven road conditions that may make the car want to spin, having less traction in the back will only exaggerate it.
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i'd get all 4, they are fun to have.

go around corner in snow, people behind you think they can go same speed.
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Most tire stores will only sell them it sets of 4, handling gets weird with just two.

I have had them, and highly recommend them. (and well, I know how much the Jesus stamp of approval means to you ).

I've had very good luck with Blizzaks. Nokians are very highly rated. Of course, I recommend anything from Continental or General Tire, since I work for them :-)

The GL4x4 is doing their typical "learn how to drive, technology is stupid and unnecessary" bit, but with a good ABS/ESP system (we also make these :-), and snow tires, the improvement is night and day over a regular car on all seasons. Braking is especially improved.

All of our vehicles are heavier 4wds on all terrains with good snow properties. But anything I own 2wd, I will always put on snow tires for the winter.

I'd also find a set of steel junkyard rims of the smallest diameter that works with your brakes and mount the tires to those. It gets old, and expensive swapping them twice a year...
I learned to drive in the winter pre-electronic controls, and most ABS vehicles I drive are more than 10 years old so modulating the brakes really messes with the ABS...

But everyone should practice the basics, like increasing following distance, slowing more before curves, etc. I see too many people driving in crap weather like it's a sunny 80 degree day.
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The GL4x4 is doing their typical "learn how to drive, technology is stupid and unnecessary" bit, but with a good ABS/ESP system (we also make these :-), and snow tires, the improvement is night and day over a regular car on all seasons. Braking is especially improved.
Yeah, but my point was that the tires are the most important variable, despite kickstands post not understanding what I wrote claiming I didn't understand what he wrote.
Cliffnotes of this thread: get good snow tires all around nomatter what electronic nannies your newer econocrapbox has.
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Your tires are the only thing that touch the road, so if they don't work right the rest of your car is going to be shit
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Old October 31st, 2012, 07:30 PM   #49
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I run hankook ipikes on my wife's focus in the winter and it handles awesome.
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I run them on my Volvo in the winter on a set of steel 15" wheels. The 215/45-17 series all-seasons won't cut it.

They make all the difference in the world on snow and ice. I may get a set for my 300 this year, that thing sucks in the snow even with stability/traction control.
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I learned to drive in the winter pre-electronic controls, and most ABS vehicles I drive are more than 10 years old so modulating the brakes really messes with the ABS...

But everyone should practice the basics, like increasing following distance, slowing more before curves, etc. I see too many people driving in crap weather like it's a sunny 80 degree day.

Absolutely. I preach the same thing. Several years ago, I was working at Camp Jeep, as a factory engineer explaining brake systems. Had to field those kind of questions. "I held the pedal to the floor like I was supposed to, but I still hit the car in front of me".... yeah, its physics.

In general, good modern snow tires work extremely well. For me, the braking was just as big, if not bigger than the acceleration part. So all 4 wheels is important IMO.

I learned to drive in the late 80s, so didn't have ABS on anything. In the 90s, GM put such shit systems on everything, it practically ruined ABS's reputation for a decade. Our systems today are excellent.
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I learned to drive in the late 80s, so didn't have ABS on anything. In the 90s, GM put such shit systems on everything, it practically ruined ABS's reputation for a decade. Our systems today are excellent.
I have owned a few of those, gave a nice foot massage while you rolled into whatever was in front of you.....
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4 winter tires, and 2 big bags of softener salt or sand in the trunk will make any FWD car handle great in the snow IMO. Done it to all my FWD cars in the past with great results, sometimes way better than 4x4's. When winter is over i simply use to salt in my softener.
Dont use salt.I have seen and fixed several nice cars with rust in the trunk from a bag that was forgotten or ripped open.Condinsation and salt are not a good combonation.
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I learned to drive in the late 80s, so didn't have ABS on anything. In the 90s, GM put such shit systems on everything, it practically ruined ABS's reputation for a decade. Our systems today are excellent.
Today's traction control systems suck. You cannot turn them off.
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Dont use salt.I have seen and fixed several nice cars with rust in the trunk from a bag that was forgotten or ripped open.Condinsation and salt are not a good combonation.
I have seen a few cars end up in the ditch because the extra weight prevented them from correcting their slide.
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Today's traction control systems suck. You cannot turn them off.
Not true. Most have a few settings, you just need to figure it out.

For example my '09 CTS:
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Press TC button: traction off
Doubletap TC button: Stabilitrak Competitive Mode (traction off, allows 15-20% yaw)
Hold TC button for 5 seconds: Everything off

My wife's '11 Tahoe has the same settings, except for the competition mode.

Usually holding the button down turns everything off for most OEMs.

Or just pull your ABS fuse and everything is off.
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Not true. Most have a few settings, you just need to figure it out.

For example my '09 CTS:
Full on
Press TC button: traction off
Doubletap TC button: Stabilitrak Competitive Mode (traction off, allows 15-20% yaw)
Hold TC button for 5 seconds: Everything off

My wife's '11 Tahoe has the same settings, except for the competition mode.

Usually holding the button down turns everything off for most OEMs.

Or just pull your ABS fuse and everything is off.
Usually, but I am told in the Ford Focus you can not turn off the stability control at all. Traction yes, stability no.
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Usually, but I am told in the Ford Focus you can not turn off the stability control at all. Traction yes, stability no.
Yea, that sucks. Pull the ABS fuse and I'll bet you can get that bitch to swing around.
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Yea, that sucks. Pull the ABS fuse and I'll bet you can get that bitch to swing around.
I have thought about it. But I thought (key word thought) I had heard somewhere at some point in time that manufacturers were now tying more into the ABS fuse circuit so people didn't do that due to liability?

I could be (and hope) i am completely wrong. But somewhere along the lines someone said something like that to me. Or I read it somewhere.

Some lower profile tires, stiffer sway bars, and slightly stiffer spring rate and I think that car could be pretty fun.

It's starting to feel a bit more sporty since I only put about 50 miles a week on it now and only have my truck to compare it to
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I have thought about it. But I thought (key word thought) I had heard somewhere at some point in time that manufacturers were now tying more into the ABS fuse circuit so people didn't do that due to liability?

I could be (and hope) i am completely wrong. But somewhere along the lines someone said something like that to me. Or I read it somewhere.

Some lower profile tires, stiffer sway bars, and slightly stiffer spring rate and I think that car could be pretty fun.

It's starting to feel a bit more sporty since I only put about 50 miles a week on it now and only have my truck to compare it to
On some vehicles, it will throw it into a limp mode. Won't know for sure until you try it out. I'll do it for you, and collect $1,000 in the process.
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