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Old October 30th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #21
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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I can buy any part for my boys rig on line and have it in two days. Is the product less quality? Maybe. However, I've owned Honda, Yamaha and currently a Kawasaki quad.

Lets run some price for grins and giggles. Shock on the redcat 39.99 full adjustable, rebuildable, but why bother for 39.99. Shock on my 80cc Kawasaki, $700.00 rebuildable only by a "professional" $200 for kit, another $150 for labor.

Chain and sprocket, opps, ........same manufacturer whether Japanese or Chinese Brand, but 50% less bought through on-line store.

Fuel pump Chinese $14.99, Kawasaki $265, except the Kawasaki has gone out twice and the Chinese is still working.

Original purchase price; I bought used for both. $300 for the Chinese, $1000 for the Kawasaki. (okay a little bit a difference in resale, but not major in my book)

Currently, with busy life schedule and cost to repair,............yup the chinese rig is currently drivable, and the yamaha .........well its still waiting for a fuel pump.

OH, lets not leave Honda out of this........a "foreman" just left my garage with two brand new CVC joints. Yeah that was fun, and costly.


Everything, is made with "just enough" quality to make the sale. If I were to buy the so called "Name Brands" ..........we wouldn't be able to do as many things, and the trip my boy and I took to the Badlands would never have happened. Sometimes you buy a little less to do a little more with what really counts. Spending time with family and friends.



.......let me add one thing though, if you are going above and beyond normal operation of said vehicle, then yeah maybe one of the name brands are more suited for you.

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When I buy anything (landscaping equipment, power sports, tools, etc) I don't even consider a brand unless there is a local dealer. Sure you can order parts online but most decent dealers have common replacement parts stocked (or can quickly get them) and can service the equipment if needed. Resale is also much higher for these reasons.
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When I buy anything (landscaping equipment, power sports, tools, etc) I don't even consider a brand unless there is a local dealer. Sure you can order parts online but most decent dealers have common replacement parts stocked (or can quickly get them) and can service the equipment if needed. Resale is also much higher for these reasons.


........the original poster is talking about a "Toy" not a piece of equipment for his Buisness. Its a different scenario. You use yours every day, he will be using his on weekends and vacations.
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my experience selling the off brand stuff you get what you pay for.i sold a shit ton of the eton quads.they were no honda but they were 3 grand less. if i was looking at a side x side..dont think i would spend that much on a off brand.just pick up a used older mule or rhyno.
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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I can buy any part for my boys rig on line and have it in two days. Is the product less quality? Maybe. However, I've owned Honda, Yamaha and currently a Kawasaki quad.

Lets run some price for grins and giggles. Shock on the redcat 39.99 full adjustable, rebuildable, but why bother for 39.99. Shock on my 80cc Kawasaki, $700.00 rebuildable only by a "professional" $200 for kit, another $150 for labor.

Chain and sprocket, opps, ........same manufacturer whether Japanese or Chinese Brand, but 50% less bought through on-line store.

Fuel pump Chinese $14.99, Kawasaki $265, except the Kawasaki has gone out twice and the Chinese is still working.

Original purchase price; I bought used for both. $300 for the Chinese, $1000 for the Kawasaki. (okay a little bit a difference in resale, but not major in my book)

Currently, with busy life schedule and cost to repair,............yup the chinese rig is currently drivable, and the yamaha .........well its still waiting for a fuel pump.

OH, lets not leave Honda out of this........a "foreman" just left my garage with two brand new CVC joints. Yeah that was fun, and costly.


Everything, is made with "just enough" quality to make the sale. If I were to buy the so called "Name Brands" ..........we wouldn't be able to do as many things, and the trip my boy and I took to the Badlands would never have happened. Sometimes you buy a little less to do a little more with what really counts. Spending time with family and friends.



.......let me add one thing though, if you are going above and beyond normal operation of said vehicle, then yeah maybe one of the name brands are more suited for you.
What the hell do you do to your machines!? We have 3 yamahas and we never have any problems with them. Put good gas in, fresh oil, clean the filters, change the spark plugs and they run forever. Hell we still have my brothers 50cc three-wheeler in the shed and it starts first pull everytime and its over 30 years old!!
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What the hell do you do to your machines!? We have 3 yamahas and we never have any problems with them. Put good gas in, fresh oil, clean the filters, change the spark plugs and they run forever. Hell we still have my brothers 50cc three-wheeler in the shed and it starts first pull everytime and its over 30 years old!!

We ride them.
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[QUOTE=FORD FLARESIDE;3202529]Y'all make me laugh!!!



Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I have personally owned a few chinese pit bikes, even went with a higher quality one after breaking several frames, out of 5 bikes 3 ($500) had broken frames after the first ride right up by the triple clamps and stem. The fourth (a $1500 investment) made it out two times before breaking at the same place. And wouldn't ya know when all torn down they all had the same cheap frames. The 5th bike, brand new 09 Kawasaki klx 110 ($1200) has had the shit beat out of it, thrashed to hell and back and still starts on the first kick every time. Only things I've ever had to replace are tubes, oil, plugs, and the Occasional air filter depending on where we ride. The parts are always available at the local bike shop for decent prices.

Chinese products are crap when it comes to the orv, utv, and mx industry, yeah sure there cheap, but don't have the reliability or durability needed to have endless hours of fun.

To the OP save your self the headache of having to work on your ride before you go out for some weekend fun, and buy a used name brand for around the same price that will run and go every time you turn the key. That also won't leave you stranded on a trail with a fried up electrical system or broken and bent suspension parts.
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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I have personally owned a few chinese pit bikes, even went with a higher quality one after breaking several frames, out of 5 bikes 3 ($500) had broken frames after the first ride right up by the triple clamps and stem. The fourth (a $1500 investment) made it out two times before breaking at the same place. And wouldn't ya know when all torn down they all had the same cheap frames. The 5th bike, brand new 09 Kawasaki klx 110 ($1200) has had the shit beat out of it, thrashed to hell and back and still starts on the first kick every time. Only things I've ever had to replace are tubes, oil, plugs, and the Occasional air filter depending on where we ride. The parts are always available at the local bike shop for decent prices.

Chinese products are crap when it comes to the orv, utv, and mx industry, yeah sure there cheap, but don't have the reliability or durability needed to have endless hours of fun.

To the OP save your self the headache of having to work on your ride before you go out for some weekend fun, and buy a used name brand for around the same price that will run and go every time you turn the key. That also won't leave you stranded on a trail with a fried up electrical system or broken and bent suspension parts.

I had this statement told to me in the 70's except if was for my first Honda. They are cheap crap, you should have bout a Harley.

They all break.

I will admit to the frame's being weaker on the Chinese rigs. It took me about 3 hours and the mig welder, and I resolved that issue.
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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I have personally owned a few chinese pit bikes, even went with a higher quality one after breaking several frames, out of 5 bikes 3 ($500) had broken frames after the first ride right up by the triple clamps and stem. The fourth (a $1500 investment) made it out two times before breaking at the same place. And wouldn't ya know when all torn down they all had the same cheap frames. The 5th bike, brand new 09 Kawasaki klx 110 ($1200) has had the shit beat out of it, thrashed to hell and back and still starts on the first kick every time. Only things I've ever had to replace are tubes, oil, plugs, and the Occasional air filter depending on where we ride. The parts are always available at the local bike shop for decent prices.

Chinese products are crap when it comes to the orv, utv, and mx industry, yeah sure there cheap, but don't have the reliability or durability needed to have endless hours of fun.

To the OP save your self the headache of having to work on your ride before you go out for some weekend fun, and buy a used name brand for around the same price that will run and go every time you turn the key. That also won't leave you stranded on a trail with a fried up electrical system or broken and bent suspension parts.
take it you trashed some pit bikes...a bunch of us went in and bought 8 of those chinese pit bikes for behind the house fun..they were all junk in a few weeks... cant beat a klx 110 or the honda 70's. again you get what you pay for.
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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.
I only personally know 2 people with anything remotely close, both were Chinese moped/motorcycle, one 50 and one 150, both bought this summer, both had problems with lights and after a short time of daily use, both stopped working, they would start up, but not run at a regular speed. They would just bog down and not get up to speed. When looking for someone to repair them they both found someone who would, but were told there was a 1 month waiting period to even look at them because they had so many in front of them with non-running Chinese bikes/atvs etc.
These were two unrelated people, one here in Waterford, one in Kalamazoo.
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take it you trashed some pit bikes...a bunch of us went in and bought 8 of those chinese pit bikes for behind the house fun..they were all junk in a few weeks... cant beat a klx 110 or the honda 70's. again you get what you pay for.
Honda 70's ........oh the good old days.


My favorite bike was my Suzuki 400Rm. I had a 250 Montesa that I liked to ride, but it took a Mule to kick the dang thing started.

.......Back to OP, .........and just my opinion. If you are good with tools and a computer, and not too aggressive the off brand side by side will probably work. If not, and you are easily goated into heavy throttle, I guess listen to everybody else and save up for a good used one. It will still break however. It's a toy, expect to spend a lot of money.
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I only personally know 2 people with anything remotely close, both were Chinese moped/motorcycle, one 50 and one 150, both bought this summer, both had problems with lights and after a short time of daily use, both stopped working, they would start up, but not run at a regular speed. They would just bog down and not get up to speed. When looking for someone to repair them they both found someone who would, but were told there was a 1 month waiting period to even look at them because they had so many in front of them with non-running Chinese bikes/atvs etc.
These were two unrelated people, one here in Waterford, one in Kalamazoo.

I never mentioned anthing about easy/good service. Service is pretty much non-existent. You have to be able to work on your rig yourself.
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A buddy bought 2 Chinese quads against my advise. Neither one has ever worked right, and has been a nightmare to find parts for them. I spent 2 weeks trying to get them running right so he could give them to his kids for Christmas, I finally got one going (80cc) and it didn't have enough guts to get me around the yard in 2" of snow.
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Okay, Uncle. You guys win.

I apologize to the original poster for leading him astray.
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We ride them.
Well shit so do we....
And I dont like the cheapo's because my cousins have had a few of them and it seemed like we were broken down on the side of the trail everytime we went out on them!
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Read the title and this is what popped into my mind...

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Those who are complaining about the Chinese models, have you ever owned or worked on one? Serious question. I'm gonna say no, and your just swinging your e-nads.

I can buy any part for my boys rig on line and have it in two days. Is the product less quality? Maybe. However, I've owned Honda, Yamaha and currently a Kawasaki quad.

Lets run some price for grins and giggles. Shock on the redcat 39.99 full adjustable, rebuildable, but why bother for 39.99. Shock on my 80cc Kawasaki, $700.00 rebuildable only by a "professional" $200 for kit, another $150 for labor.

Chain and sprocket, opps, ........same manufacturer whether Japanese or Chinese Brand, but 50% less bought through on-line store.

Fuel pump Chinese $14.99, Kawasaki $265, except the Kawasaki has gone out twice and the Chinese is still working.

Original purchase price; I bought used for both. $300 for the Chinese, $1000 for the Kawasaki. (okay a little bit a difference in resale, but not major in my book)

Currently, with busy life schedule and cost to repair,............yup the chinese rig is currently drivable, and the yamaha .........well its still waiting for a fuel pump.

OH, lets not leave Honda out of this........a "foreman" just left my garage with two brand new CVC joints. Yeah that was fun, and costly.


Everything, is made with "just enough" quality to make the sale. If I were to buy the so called "Name Brands" ..........we wouldn't be able to do as many things, and the trip my boy and I took to the Badlands would never have happened. Sometimes you buy a little less to do a little more with what really counts. Spending time with family and friends.



.......let me add one thing though, if you are going above and beyond normal operation of said vehicle, then yeah maybe one of the name brands are more suited for you.
Two of my freinds own powersport/small engine shops.Tony sold over 300 chineese scooters in the first year in bussiness.I cant count how many of theese pieces of shit I have worked on,I promise it's more then you unless you work at the factory.

Some parts are available online,but rarely do we have success getting the part we need.If it does showup it is usually broken allready,or it fails just like the original in a matter of hours.It's a never ending circle untill people wise up and scrap the pos.

Your comparison on parts price is laughable.You keep buying junk and bragging about how good it is,and I will keep laughing.
Quality stuff usually doesnt need many repair parts,It sounds like you must either buy some real used up junk,or dont maintain it properly.
The oe shocks on my 1971 honda 70 still work perfect as does EVERY THING on the bike.
I could go on and on,because I actually earned a living working on quads for several years and still moonlight for both shops.Every one is allowed an opinion,but I think yours is whack.
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Two of my freinds own powersport/small engine shops.Tony sold over 300 chineese scooters in the first year in bussiness.I cant count how many of theese pieces of shit I have worked on,I promise it's more then you unless you work at the factory.

Some parts are available online,but rarely do we have success getting the part we need.If it does showup it is usually broken allready,or it fails just like the original in a matter of hours.It's a never ending circle untill people wise up and scrap the pos.

Your comparison on parts price is laughable.You keep buying junk and bragging about how good it is,and I will keep laughing.
Quality stuff usually doesnt need many repair parts,It sounds like you must either buy some real used up junk,or dont maintain it properly.
The oe shocks on my 1971 honda 70 still work perfect as does EVERY THING on the bike.
I could go on and on,because I actually earned a living working on quads for several years and still moonlight for both shops.Every one is allowed an opinion,but I think yours is whack.

You are right, I already claimed Uncle. I have never had any expierience with these vehicles. It was all a lie. I'm sorry I even posted. I've never seen a good product come out of China.
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You are right, I already claimed Uncle. I have never had any expierience with these vehicles. It was all a lie. I'm sorry I even posted. I've never seen a good product come out of China.
at least you are starting to come to your senses
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