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Old October 25th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #61
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I have worked at every Ford Assembly Plant in North America that is currently open and some that are now closed (including Wixom). Also, several of the engineering buildings. Why do you ask?
Just wondering, spent seven years at the Wixom plant before going back to Monroe. went by Wixom plant the other day heading up north- sad sight to see.
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It's the same thing in politics. They need true competition to bring out the best quality candidates.
again, part of the problem is the sheer spread of demographics being represented. there are plenty of folks that feel their candidates are the cat's ass. we can agree they may be deluded, but look at any demographic spectrum of United States Occupants (I hesitate to say citizens, because the dumbasses in charge aren't legally allowed to ask someone for proof of citzenship as a requirement to vote)

anyway, I digress. the point is, that if you look at the spectrum of people here in the US, on any given demographic metric, you will see a HUGE spread amongst the roughly 300,000,000 people here.

regardless of the metric involved - that spread no doubt follows a normal distribution (bell curve for those that scratch their heads at stats more meaningful than calculating a simple average)

the meat of the bell curve (perhaps more than 2 standard deviations worth) of any of those demographic metrics probably are enamored with one aspect of what they have heard from a specific candidate.

the problem is that each of us are on a vacuous point of a pretty broad spectrum and form our opinions based on relatively limited information based on how a pundit might phrase a debate question, or how a speech writer might have their candidate tout a planned program/reform/promise.

for some folks, abortion rights / right to life is a HUGE issue. for others it's the economy, tax policy, immigration policy, national defense, civil liberties the color of the skin, or accent, or... well you get the idea.

the long rambling point I guess I'm making is, that while the "system" as a whole generates less than ideal candidates, I honestly can't think of another system that would work better.

how do you ensure competition of truly qualified, properly motivated, truly representative people to nominate, campaign for, and have the stamina to see the job through?
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Welfare is a chronic and cross racial issue that needs to be remedied.
Welfare needs heavy reform, I understand helping someone when they are truly down, but time limits, drug tests ect need to be enacted. How about if you collect welfare, you must show up at a location and do some type of service to earn your money, clean parks, p/u garbage on side of the road, ect.
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how do you ensure competition of truly qualified, properly motivated, truly representative people to nominate, campaign for, and have the stamina to see the job through?
By severely limiting how much money can be spent on a campaign, equal participation in debates by extremely professional moderators (no more of these obvious hacks that team up with a candidate in a debate) with ALL nominated registered party candidates, and do it all under administered oath the same as a court room carrying the same penalties as perjury.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #65
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Here's the simple solution to the debates. They get 2 minutes to talk. Tie their microphones into the timer. When the timer turns on, their mic turns on. When the timer beeps, their mic turns off. No running over, no interrupting, nothing. Problem solved.
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Time for a changeÖ..

NOT an Obama change and NOT a Romney change but a REAL change. The and no longer serve the American people. As long as they believe that one or the other will get elected every 4 to 8 years they will serve only their own interests. They seem to have forgotten that they are servants of the people. The politicians use us to get elected then do the minimum to keep the people content.

They need to be taught that they are not the only choices. They need to understand that when the people are displeased enough they will find themselves out of a job. The only way to drive this point home is to elect neither a republican nor a democrat. When they are left there on November 7 with their mouths hanging open wondering how neither of them got elected maybe they will have learned that it is the American people who hold the power in this country and not them.

To do this, we, the people of the United States of America must change the way we think and vote. We have to vote against the grain. We canít vote for a candidate because we think he/she has a chance of winning. We all like to be associated with the ďwinner.Ē We have to change that mentality. If we donít then we will forever be the servants of the elected officials and not the other way around. We have to vote in a way that will force a change. We need to stand up and stop being puppets to the politicians.

My thought and plan is to vote for people other than the republican or democrat candidates. There are other candidates out there. Iím not limiting my plan to the presidential election. I will apply it to all of the elected positions up for a vote. If there is only a choice between a republican or democrat then I will not vote for the incumbent.

Personally, green is my favorite color so I am voting for the Green party when I can. Thatís my choice. Each of you needs to make your own decisions.

There is still time to change the course of the election. If we all do this then we can make a difference.


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I feel you but voteing for a third party canadate will make no difference in the results. There are to many people who are voteing for Romney or Obama and that's just the truth. You are better off putting your vote where it will it least count. Romney has my vote personally
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Here's the simple solution to the debates. They get 2 minutes to talk. Tie their microphones into the timer. When the timer turns on, their mic turns on. When the timer beeps, their mic turns off. No running over, no interrupting, nothing. Problem solved.
I would love that. And it makes sense
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By severely limiting how much money can be spent on a campaign, equal participation in debates by extremely professional moderators (no more of these obvious hacks that team up with a candidate in a debate) with ALL nominated registered party candidates, and do it all under administered oath the same as a court room carrying the same penalties as perjury.
naive or overwhelmingly idealistic - for a military man you should be neither.

we don't even have an honestly non-partisan, unbiased appellate court system, but somehow we're going to get "extremely professional moderators" ?

good luck trying to reign in campaign spending - and even if you do, you will then still have an unfair advantage from the perspective of "fame" candidates that decide to run based on name recognition (this also means that the incumbent has more name recognition (sometimes good, sometimes bad))
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naive or overwhelmingly idealistic - for a military man you should be neither.

we don't even have an honestly non-partisan, unbiased appellate court system, but somehow we're going to get "extremely professional moderators" ?

good luck trying to reign in campaign spending - and even if you do, you will then still have an unfair advantage from the perspective of "fame" candidates that decide to run based on name recognition (this also means that the incumbent has more name recognition (sometimes good, sometimes bad))
It was an idea that could possibly work given the right conditions. Honestly... this country needs a complete reset throughout the entire government system (both state and federal) to get back to anything remotely resembling an honest system.

The level of corruption throughout every form of government is appalling.
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It was an idea that could possibly work given the right conditions. Honestly... this country needs a complete reset throughout the entire government system (both state and federal) to get back to anything remotely resembling an honest system.

The level of corruption throughout every form of government is appalling.
corruption is a strong word. and it applies to private sector as well, ranging from insider training to covering up illegal activities as well.

I've seen more waste than outright corruption, but I've always worked in or around regional/local Government (and far away from Wayne County)
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Here's the simple solution to the debates. They get 2 minutes to talk. Tie their microphones into the timer. When the timer turns on, their mic turns on. When the timer beeps, their mic turns off. No running over, no interrupting, nothing. Problem solved.
Maybe a little shock of some sort to keep things interesting.
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I do have a 401k being most companies don't offer a pension these days. And no I don't have a mortgage on any of my three homes. Just paid off my last home mortgage this month. I save most of my cash. I guess I'm old school but I don't trust banks to hold my cash.
Having stuff paid off and paying cash for stuff when you want it is a great feeling.


But, seriously not trusting the banks. Simply keep under the FDIC and split up your banks in that manner.
Not trusting people I totally understand. In the manner of identity theft and such having all your cash in one bank waiting to be hit is well stupid. But, diversifying over several accounts insured and constantly watched by a accountant will give you trust in the banks.
I know interest these days is a total laugh. The idea of a CD will give some a giggle. But, while at a demeaning rate the interest is still compounded and worth setting up a account you can forget about(if the SOB's will get it through there damn skulls what "do not mail me a statement" means). I have a few banks I do not "trust" due to there policies with things like "inactivity fee's" and "annual holding percentage" bs. But, getting a quality accountant "quarterly consultant" to keep track and handle any issues that may arise. Now do you trust the firm that is in place to make sure the bank is not snatching pennies out your pocket. It is a never ending game.

If anything major does happen to the banks do you seriously think that pile hidden in your basement (that the mice are nesting in) will be anymore then comical toilet paper.
If you are talking trading goods. That is a different story and this little rant is to long winded as it is. But, hording paper is useless. Now, back in 2001 and 2008 and 2010 I was in the same spot having boxes of cash hid about for when I needed them. But, over the years I have seen how foolish that is.

There is nothing old school about saving up to buy something or buying it outright. The banks are in the business of making cash. Weather it is a 3 day delay to transfer cash while they collect the interest, some fee that you end up paying for the convenience of using there services, or a "loss in records" ie identity theft. They will use you and your cash to make money.

I still do not trust banks or people for that manner That I next to never use even my debit card other then at a atm. I see someone use a personal credit card and tend to look down at them. If I see someone pull out a check book in a store part of me expects that check to bounce.

Being independent of others will place you level with them. I come up with a lot of stupid concepts and share them with you. But, with money I am really smart, careful, and wise.

Damn this thing is way to stinking long.

Congrats on having the house paid off.
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Welfare needs heavy reform, I understand helping someone when they are truly down, but time limits, drug tests ect need to be enacted. How about if you collect welfare, you must show up at a location and do some type of service to earn your money, clean parks, p/u garbage on side of the road, ect.
I am all for that and I also think that the roadside clean ups and other tasks should be completed by people who are receiving government funds. There should be no free ride. I also think that when you are being supported by the government you should give up certain rights as if you were with your parents such as the right to breed.
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This was the first thing I thought of after reading the title.

It is a cash, whore, do a dance monkey and we will put you in the big seat and let you read our story to the children, game that has already been calculated.

I hate to think it but seriously we already have a lot invested in the current setup. Placing a entirely different one in place would require a huge learning curve which leads to "progress" lost.

This boat is on the rocks no sense in shifting the blame to some Mr Fix it when the current captain is in the process of turning the wheel with a few handles left.

I don't agree with either fully as both are just a puppet anyway to things totally out of any of our control. It is a illusion of choice and freedom fueled by fear and anger. Once people stop cheering my side is better then yours they will see that they had no say in the choice in the first place.


Maybe Bulworth will finally win this time.
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I am all for that and I also think that the roadside clean ups and other tasks should be completed by people who are receiving government funds. There should be no free ride. I also think that when you are being supported by the government you should give up certain rights as if you were with your parents such as the right to breed.
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no, logic states that given our current situation of choosing the presumed lesser of two evils, that choosing a hypothetical snowballchanceinhell's 3rd party candidate means that you have done nothing to help prevent the presumed greater of two evils from getting into office.
I get that you are probably the product of the public school system, but if you cast a vote for a candidate that ultimately loses and someone else casts a vote for a third party candidate that also loses, your vote was no more or less valuable, or as most seem to prefer "wasted".

The current "situation" you seem to be referring to is YOURS not OURS. That "lesser of two evils" line is a real original one though (straight from the and playbook), still it amounts to less than a piss poor excuse to justify voting for someone, you admit is evil? I would refuse on "moral grounds" to cast a vote for anyone I KNEW was evil, and you will twist it into how fucked up a person would have to be to vote for a third party????? Jeezuss it must be the fluoride in the drinking water or something?

This is all here nor there though, mere conjecture, hyperbole if you will, because (I can't believe I even have to tell people this, I guess none were paying attention in 8th grade Government class) when you cast a vote for President, you are wasting your time (and vote) as You DO NOT elect the President, a faceless group called electors do, put the electors from the 50 States and the D of C together and and you get the Electoral College. In a perfect world your vote may count as a "suggestion" at best, but It probably falls far short of even that.......

Now, I realize that you will probably reply with a Cute lil' answer (Cute, and smart I doubt) but do yourself a favor and look it up, regurgitating untruths doesn't make something true (though it seems to be a prevailing belief with many on this board), it just makes you an idiot and or a liar, when you have been shown or know the truth. Regards, Steve
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I get that you are probably the product of the public school system...
I get that you probably make assumptions all the time and live in a fantasy world....

You probably fell for that hope and change bullshit last time too.


The points about the electoral college are obvious, but an equally valid point that you overlook is the statistically insignificant number of times that the electoral college has not voted consistent with their popular vote. (yes it happens, but not very damned often)

so keep voting for the green party turds that are also probably evil, but you buy their song and dance and live high on your morality horse.

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as an example of the two faced position of democrat party members:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/2...-felony-theft/
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-27-04-13-34 <======i wonder WHY====> http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/2...-felony-theft/
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