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Old October 23rd, 2012, 09:34 AM   #81
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But you forget about the millions of redneck, call of duty, wannabe soldiers just itching to shoot a (insert race/religion/nationality here). What they lack in training will be made up for in numbers and enthusiasm. LOL
Actually... This next generation of soldiers will be DAMN impressive when it comes to being a UAV pilot, Tanker (Gunning on a tank is a lot like playing a video game), Bradley crewmember, artilleryman... Hell... Anything with technology really.

These kids were playing these games since before they even got into high school. They've been training for it for a decade or more.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 11:51 AM   #82
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:20 PM   #83
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Typical Obama supporter that claimed he won the debate.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:53 PM   #84
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My reflective assessment:

Supporters of both will say their guy won, and I would agree. No knockouts.

My observation is that if you look at it with the sound off, it looks like O is the upstart challenger and R is the well-suppored incumbent.

Obie was blinking like mad, doing the Biden grin when he heard something he didn't like, being sarcastic instead of sharp, and (at the end) was waving his hands around a lot. Like I said, looked like the challenger on the offensive.

Romney was calm, composed, and rarely took any bait Obie offered, preferrig to stay above the noise. Obie wanted to fight, and Romney wouldn't swing. He looked like the incumbent, the one with something to lose.

Just sayin...
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Actually... This next generation of soldiers will be DAMN impressive when it comes to being a UAV pilot, Tanker (Gunning on a tank is a lot like playing a video game), Bradley crewmember, artilleryman... Hell... Anything with technology really.

These kids were playing these games since before they even got into high school. They've been training for it for a decade or more.
And as soon as they're done they can help repair our roads and bridges.

"And what we can now do is free up some resources to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges,..." - President Obama, Debate October 23, 2012
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And as soon as they're done they can help repair our roads and bridges.

"And what we can now do is free up some resources to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges,..." - President Obama, Debate October 23, 2012
How about we talk about the other 98% of the population that never makes the choice to serve and how they still don't do a god damned thing to fix the roads and bridges.
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If Obie wins.. We are fucked... We're going down hill fast as a country and if its not fixed ASAP it will take a lot longer than the next presidents 4 or 8 years to handle it.. That's 12 more years or more of shit to deal with..
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I love the spin.

If your guy comes out swinging he's "passionate, determined, confident, engaged". If the other guy comes out strong he's being a bully.

If your guy come out weak he's "calm, composed, poised". If the other guy comes out weak he's just week.
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i love the spin.

If your guy comes out swinging he's "passionate, determined, confident, engaged". If the other guy comes out strong he's being a bully.

If your guy come out weak he's "calm, composed, poised". If the other guy comes out weak he's just week.
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What week? This week? Last week? Next week?
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Well, I feel Mitt did a better job but I don't think this debate will swing the polls very much. I thought a couple things got missed. I really wanted a question to the president about what he meant when he said to the Russians that he needed flexibility.
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Well, I feel Mitt did a better job but I don't think this debate will swing the polls very much. I thought a couple things got missed. I really wanted a question to the president about what he meant when he said to the Russians that he needed flexibility.
I got the feeling that Willard didn't really want to talk about foreign affairs so rather than going after the President in the comment to the Russians about flexibility and about the Libyan and Syrian situations he kept trying to turn the debate back towards domestic affairs.
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And as soon as they're done they can help repair our roads and bridges.

"And what we can now do is free up some resources to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges,..." - President Obama, Debate October 23, 2012
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I got the feeling that Willard didn't really want to talk about foreign affairs so rather than going after the President in the comment to the Russians about flexibility and about the Libyan and Syrian situations he kept trying to turn the debate back towards domestic affairs.
I just posted this in the other thread but it applies.

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I believe that when discussing foreign affairs, the incumbent has a huge advantage. He has a high security clearance that gives him information that others do not. He knows when, why, how things were/or were not done. He knows what foreign leaders were contacted (or not) prior to a strike or other military action. In many cases, the rest of us have to speculate.

With that, foreign policy is not Mitt's strong point. So, his better tact was to act presidential and show the American Public that he doesn't get rattled easily and has the ability to deal with volatile issues in a professional manner. Plus, he already has momentum from the previous 2 debates. Why take the bait and risk saying something that could emphasize his lack of foreign experience?
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I believe that when discussing foreign affairs, the incumbent has a huge advantage. He has a high security clearance that gives him information that others do not. He knows when, why, how things were/or were not done. He knows what foreign leaders were contacted (or not) prior to a strike or other military action. In many cases, the rest of us have to speculate.

With that, foreign policy is not Mitt's strong point. So, his better tact was to act presidential and show the American Public that he doesn't get rattled easily and has the ability to deal with volatile issues in a professional manner. Plus, he already has momentum from the previous 2 debates. Why take the bait and risk saying something that could emphasize his lack of foreign experience?
This.

As stated, debating foreign policy is (or should be) a slam dunk for the incumbent - unless they were a Secy of State or something similar.

Obie looked rattled and defensive. Romney looked calm and Presidential.
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I love the spin.

If your guy comes out swinging he's "passionate, determined, confident, engaged". If the other guy comes out strong he's being a bully.

If your guy come out weak he's "calm, composed, poised". If the other guy comes out weak he's just week.
Bruce, there's "in control" aggressive (like Willard in the 1st debate), generally aggressive like Biden, and spooked aggressive like Obie in the last debate.

Back in OCS, there was a concept called "command presence", that refers to that calm & confident energy an officer needs to project. Obie has yet to project that. First debate he was uninterested and unprepared, like a teenager who's parents made him go to a job interview against his will. Second debate he was argumentative and prickly, spoiling for a fight and wanting to make up for the first one. Third debate Obie came in like the challenger, and kep trying to draw Willard into. Scrap. Conversely, Willard showed up strong - with command presence - in the 1st debate, scrappy im the second debate, and thoughtfully in control in the third. Willard projected maturity and command bearing, while Obie looked worried and (especially in the third one) his nastiness showed.
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Bruce, there's "in control" aggressive (like Willard in the 1st debate), generally aggressive like Biden, and spooked aggressive like Obie in the last debate.

Back in OCS, there was a concept called "command presence", that refers to that calm & confident energy an officer needs to project. Obie has yet to project that. First debate he was uninterested and unprepared, like a teenager who's parents made him go to a job interview against his will. Second debate he was argumentative and prickly, spoiling for a fight and wanting to make up for the first one. Third debate Obie came in like the challenger, and kep trying to draw Willard into. Scrap. Conversely, Willard showed up strong - with command presence - in the 1st debate, scrappy im the second debate, and thoughtfully in control in the third. Willard projected maturity and command bearing, while Obie looked worried and (especially in the third one) his nastiness showed.
He said "spooked" when refering to Obama.
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