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Old October 22nd, 2012, 03:11 PM   #21
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Is that really the case? I never heard how the controversy effected sales.
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 03:16 PM   #22
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Basically the CEO made it clear that he didn't agree with same sex marriage and that he has traditional Christian values. It caused a firestorm of protests around the country, with people protesting and boycotting outside the restaurants. One Chicago political clodhopper even tried to block Chick Fil A from opening a restaurant in his district because of the owners views.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-ward-alderman

So much for freedom of opposing beliefs.
Your point?

People seem to get freedom of speech confused:
freedom to say what you want and have no consequences
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The freedom to say what you want, although it could have some consequences.

I'm still able to choose whether I want to ear at a chic-filet, and I am guessing that the chicago politician is strongly supported by gays, so he was only doing what the people who voted him into office would like him to do.

That's politics.

I guess I personally don't see the problem, many other people were just as legally able to go and congregate to voice their opinion in favor of the CEO's comments, or to vote that politician out of office in chicago or voice their desire to have a chic filet built in their neighborhood.....

Or like me, you could have just chosen to not say anything because you didn't care....
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Basically the CEO made it clear that he didn't agree with same sex marriage and that he has traditional Christian values. It caused a firestorm of protests around the country, with people protesting and boycotting outside the restaurants. One Chicago political clodhopper even tried to block Chick Fil A from opening a restaurant in his district because of the owners views.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-ward-alderman

So much for freedom of opposing beliefs.
So, what's your point? People used their free speech to talk about not liking his free speech. The Chick Fil A owner didn't get put in jail. The government took no action for or against him.

Remember the Dixie Twits? Same thing happened to them when they said negative things about George W at a concert. Some people stopped buying their music, stopped going to their shows, some radio stations stopped playing their music. Others flocked to them. No different from Chick fil a, other than what side of the aisle you like better.

Free speech works fine. Speech without consequences on the other hand... well... that isn't protected by our Constitution.
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Is that really the case? I never heard how the controversy effected sales.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...8#.UIWfWVE7t8E

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So in other words, we are free to believe what we want, just shut up about them. If we want to make our beliefs known then we better be ready for the "consequences"? Yeah, that sounds rational to me.
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Your point?

People seem to get freedom of speech confused:
freedom to say what you want and have no consequences
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The freedom to say what you want, although it could have some consequences.

I'm still able to choose whether I want to ear at a chic-filet, and I am guessing that the chicago politician is strongly supported by gays, so he was only doing what the people who voted him into office would like him to do.

That's politics.

I guess I personally don't see the problem, many other people were just as legally able to go and congregate to voice their opinion in favor of the CEO's comments, or to vote that politician out of office in chicago or voice their desire to have a chic filet built in their neighborhood.....

Or like me, you could have just chosen to not say anything because you didn't care....
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So, what's your point? People used their free speech to talk about not liking his free speech. The Chick Fil A owner didn't get put in jail. The government took no action for or against him.

Remember the Dixie Twits? Same thing happened to them when they said negative things about George W at a concert. Some people stopped buying their music, stopped going to their shows, some radio stations stopped playing their music. Others flocked to them. No different from Chick fil a, other than what side of the aisle you like better.

Free speech works fine. Speech without consequences on the other hand... well... that isn't protected by our Constitution.
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So in other words, we are free to believe what we want, just shut up about them. If we want to make our beliefs known then we better be ready for the "consequences"? Yeah, that sounds rational to me.
Are you dumb, or not smart or what?

So to you free speech means you get to say what you want and everyone else in the country will agree with it?

Read what JohnnyJ said (he added some valuable information to free speech).

The government didn't close the guy down, the police didn't arrest him, OTHER people who wanted to VOICE their RIGHT to free speech responded to his comments.

What part of that don't you understand?

Regarding the media, since when did it become illegal for them to put their own spin on things? The media will report what it wants to report, you will find left and right biased reports for nearly every story, remember, the media is not some government appointed group of people who are legally obligated to report facts.

THey are television and news stations that are in business to report the news as they see fit and try to garner the most $$ through viewers.
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Are you dumb, or not smart or what?

So to you free speech means you get to say what you want and everyone else in the country will agree with it?

Read what JohnnyJ said (he added some valuable information to free speech).

The government didn't close the guy down, the police didn't arrest him, OTHER people who wanted to VOICE their RIGHT to free speech responded to his comments.

What part of that don't you understand?

Regarding the media, since when did it become illegal for them to put their own spin on things? The media will report what it wants to report, you will find left and right biased reports for nearly every story, remember, the media is not some government appointed group of people who are legally obligated to report facts.

THey are television and news stations that are in business to report the news as they see fit and try to garner the most $$ through viewers.
Did you not see the speeches by multiple BIG CITY mayors and university higher ups that said they would make sure Chick-Fil-A would never be able to open a restaraunt in their cities or on their campuses?
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Did you not see the speeches by multiple BIG CITY mayors and university higher ups that said they would make sure Chick-Fil-A would never be able to open a restaraunt in their cities or on their campuses?
Universities and big city mayors, gee, let's think about who supports those people and who those people want to cater to?

A mayor of a big city saying he would block chic fil a is not an ingfringement on free speech.
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Did you not see the speeches by multiple BIG CITY mayors and university higher ups that said they would make sure Chick-Fil-A would never be able to open a restaraunt in their cities or on their campuses?
It's called pandering for votes. Both sides do it all the time. Don't like it? Vote them out!

If they passed a law, ordinance, or similar, then he could easily challenge and win in the court system.
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There should not be consequences from the government if a company states its beliefs. Consequences from individuals, yes.

The politicians shouldn't be able to pick and choose which companies they put up a roadblock for.
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It's called pandering for votes. Both sides do it all the time. Don't like it? Vote them out!

If they passed a law, ordinance, or similar, then he could easily challenge and win in the court system.
exactly

further, if they disallowed him to build in their city after the comments they made in response to his comments not approving of gay marriage it would be very easy for a lawyer to make a case that the blocking of his company putting in a location was "unconstitutional"

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The politicians shouldn't be able to pick and choose which companies they put up a roadblock for.
So what you're saying is that you would vote for a politician that ok'd the NAMBLA world headquarters to move in next to your kid's school? I mean, he shouldn't pick and choose what companies he puts up a roadblock for.
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I just think it's ridiculous for someone to be ridiculed, tormented or protested against simply because they say that they believe differently then someone else about a particular subject. It's one thing if they are organizing opposition rallies, or try to discriminate against someone or practice hate speech. Then yes, I could see where there would be consequences. But to give someone shit and have them suffer "consequences" just because they have a different view than you is just nuts. Think about it.

That makes us no better that the Islamic crazies that kill people who believe different than they do.
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I just think it's ridiculous for someone to be ridiculed, tormented or protested against simply because they say that they believe differently then someone else about a particular subject. It's one thing if they are organizing opposition rallies, or try to discriminate against someone or practice hate speech. Then yes, I could see where there would be consequences. But to give someone shit and have them suffer "consequences" just because they have a different view than you is just nuts. Think about it.
Yeah, that must suck to be gay and have a bunch of Christians tell you about how you're going to hell. Is that what you're saying?

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That makes us no better that the Islamic crazies that kill people who believe different than they do.
Yeah, other than the killing thing. Do you stop to think before hacking this shit out?
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So what you're saying is that you would vote for a politician that ok'd the NAMBLA world headquarters to move in next to your kid's school? I mean, he shouldn't pick and choose what companies he puts up a roadblock for.
I guess I looked at this the wrong way. He was elected to represent the people he was elected by. His choice in representing a small percentage of the community may be a choice he regrets but it is his choice.
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I just think it's ridiculous for someone to be ridiculed, tormented or protested against simply because they say that they believe differently then someone else about a particular subject. It's one thing if they are organizing opposition rallies, or try to discriminate against someone or practice hate speech. Then yes, I could see where there would be consequences. But to give someone shit and have them suffer "consequences" just because they have a different view than you is just nuts. Think about it.

That makes us no better that the Islamic crazies that kill people who believe different than they do.
1. It is no more ridiculous then him saying he doesn't agree with gay marriage, they simply responded they didn't like his statement.
2. He is the CEO of a large organization, if he makes a broad statement like that how could it NOT affect his business one way or another regardless of what he says regarding a controversial subject?
3. Consequences, you suffer them for every single choice you make in life, that's life. Consequences do not have to be bad.
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I just think it's ridiculous for someone to be ridiculed, tormented or protested against simply because they say that they believe differently then someone else about a particular subject. It's one thing if they are organizing opposition rallies, or try to discriminate against someone or practice hate speech. Then yes, I could see where there would be consequences. But to give someone shit and have them suffer "consequences" just because they have a different view than you is just nuts. Think about it.

That makes us no better that the Islamic crazies that kill people who believe different than they do.
Free speech is only really free if it is a two way street. You're free to say what you think, I'm free to say what I think about what you think. And we're all free to patronize a business, or not, based on whatever reason we choose.
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Free speech is only really free if it is a two way street. You're free to say what you think, I'm free to say what I think about what you think. And we're all free to patronize a business, or not, based on whatever reason we choose.
And the big part is that you won't be thrown in jail if you disagree with your government. Try that in China, North Korea, Cuba, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
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And the big part is that you won't be thrown in jail if you disagree with your government. Try that in China, North Korea, Cuba, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
Yep. I remember being in Indonesia talking to an Indonesian and they were freaking out that I called our president (Clinton) an idiot. They couldn't believe I would say anything bad about the president.
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Hallelujah! You've all helped me to see the light! I now see that by agreeing to disagree with people who believe differently than me, and leaving it at that, that I've been doing it wrong. I get it now. From now on I'm going to belittle, demean, harass and generally fukc with everyone who thinks differently than me about everything. Consequences will be dealt. You think Chevy is better than Ford? Fukc you- I'm a Ford guy... get ready for the consequences. You like Metallica? Well screw you- I think they suck...get ready for the consequences.

Here's a hint: Not everyone believes the same as you. Someone making their beliefs known doesn't mean shit in the overall scheme of things. If their beliefs aren't causing you any harm or preventing you from practicing your beliefs, GET OVER IT.
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