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Old October 19th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #1
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anyone on here a distributor, know it all, expert, have a friend of a friend, recently install an insert?

I've been shopping around and haven't gotten serious yet, but am seeing prices ranging from $750 for something like this

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2426_200442426

and then prices of around $2600 (for the insert) $4000 turn key installed from some joint in Waterford (emmet's I think) the guy was real helpful for one of these:
http://www.lopistoves.com/product_gu...d_inserts.aspx


the conversation went like this.

me:How much for that insert?
him:$3500-4,000

me:Ok, How about this one?
him:$3500-4,000

me:Same price?
him:Yup

me:But the units themselves are priced different, why is the installed price the same?
him:That's just how it works.

me:Oh, ok, have a good day.
him:You too, let me know if we can help.

Anyone recently install an insert? I am too lazy to figure out my fireplaces exact dimensions, but I am assuming there's a unit out there somewhere that will fit right in, besides installing the unit, and chimney pipe (damn that shit aint cheap) there doesn't seem to be much to it, and quite frankly I don't mind spending a few $$ on install, considering if I mess something up my house will go burn down.

So, anyone recently get an insert and recommend a good dealer or installer in the Flint/Detroit areas, close to fenton of course.

Also, any good stories about some of the cheaper units out there or worth it to spend the bigger money?

I have natural gas currently, so my heating costs aren't terrible, but if I can supplement with wood we'd like to.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #2
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Can't say much about inserts but Emmits was douchey to me when I went in there at the beginning of this year. Same conversation but I was looking for a grate to cover my fireplace after I took out an old ass insert that I was told later by the sweep my house was about to burn down had I burned in it, lots of creosote from improper install.

All his grates were 500+ and he said I couldn't get one any cheaper. Trip to Home Depot and $50 later I had a nice grate
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Can't say much about inserts but Emmits was douchey to me when I went in there at the beginning of this year. Same conversation but I was looking for a grate to cover my fireplace after I took out an old ass insert that I was told later by the sweep my house was about to burn down had I burned in it, lots of creosote from improper install.

All his grates were 500+ and he said I couldn't get one any cheaper. Trip to Home Depot and $50 later I had a nice grate
That's what has me wondering about some of the other inserts I ahve looked at, they have a similar warranty to what he was trying to sell me, yet are half the price.

I plan to shop around some more, but even home depot has some inserts that are cheaper than his but again similar warranty.

I can't see spending $4000 on an insert when I could spend 7500 or so on an outdoor wood burner.

Which is what I would prefer, except I don't know that my neighbors would love it all that much, though it is still an option, but a lot more expensive.
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That's what has me wondering about some of the other inserts I ahve looked at, they have a similar warranty to what he was trying to sell me, yet are half the price.

I plan to shop around some more, but even home depot has some inserts that are cheaper than his but again similar warranty.

I can't see spending $4000 on an insert when I could spend 7500 or so on an outdoor wood burner.

Which is what I would prefer, except I don't know that my neighbors would love it all that much, though it is still an option, but a lot more expensive.
find a good mid level insert....I don't think there is any stand out brands if you know what I mean...chub, chub ozzyborn has a pellet stove and he likes that, but if it were me, I'd stay away from something I had to buy fuel for
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There is a place in down town hartland that had a great selection. Cant remember the name tho
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I just bought a Pacific Energy Summit model insert. I hope to complete the install tomorrow. You're correct, the stainless flex chimney liner, cap, and top plate, will set you back another $400-600.
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Emmets in Waterford are retards. I work with a brother of one of the managers of Emmets, but he is located at the Royal Oak (I think thats where it is) store. I was told the Waterford guys would treat me well. Anyway, after being dicked around on various stuff, I said screw it and went to another store. I ended up purchasing from Pine Tree Heating. They have a much better display set up with all sorts of different units and they weren't douchers.

I have a pellet insert so it isn't exactly the same, but the install is very easy. I did mine myself with no issues. As Hancho says, I do have to buy fuel, but for my use it works well. It's not like I have property to cut wood at the house and transporting it from the farm up north wouldn't really be saving me anything once I put in the time. Also, it's very little work as pellets are more or less automatic. Regarding cost, I don't really save much money as my furnace is natural gas, but that wasn't my point. My point was to get my lower level living room, which was always cold in the winter to be warm. My stove works very well for that and easily heats my whole house in the process, vs just the upper levels being warm with the furnace.
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I'm in Holly and had a company from almont install my fireplace. I think out was southwest heatmore. Very helpfull and great prices.

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Emmets in Waterford are retards. I work with a brother of one of the managers of Emmets, but he is located at the Royal Oak (I think thats where it is) store. I was told the Waterford guys would treat me well. Anyway, after being dicked around on various stuff, I said screw it and went to another store. I ended up purchasing from Pine Tree Heating. They have a much better display set up with all sorts of different units and they weren't douchers.

I have a pellet insert so it isn't exactly the same, but the install is very easy. I did mine myself with no issues. As Hancho says, I do have to buy fuel, but for my use it works well. It's not like I have property to cut wood at the house and transporting it from the farm up north wouldn't really be saving me anything once I put in the time. Also, it's very little work as pellets are more or less automatic. Regarding cost, I don't really save much money as my furnace is natural gas, but that wasn't my point. My point was to get my lower level living room, which was always cold in the winter to be warm. My stove works very well for that and easily heats my whole house in the process, vs just the upper levels being warm with the furnace.
where is pine tree?

I want to save some $$I but like you my lower living room is usually pretty chilly. Which is where im installing it.


Consensus is to just install yourself? Cram it in the hole, run chimney pipe and cap and call it good? Seems simple just ddidnt want to burn my house down
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find a good mid level insert....I don't think there is any stand out brands if you know what I mean...chub, chub ozzyborn has a pellet stove and he likes that, but if it were me, I'd stay away from something I had to buy fuel for
Hard to tell what makes one better than the other besides price and looks, maybe I'll just let Jessica pick based on looks.
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The more super anal efficient you want to be the more it's going to cost! I believe that to be absolutely ludicrous when it comes to burning wood in a fireplace with a blower!!

Check this site out a lot of this stuff is plain and simple to the point where you can maybe even build it yourself.
http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Firepl...eaters-Blowers


Here is a pdf of a basic dimensions to where you can build it yourself!!
You can weld right? lol

http://www.fuegoflame.com/PDF/Fuego&...20brochure.pdf

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where is pine tree?
?? is this the one ??===> http://www.pinetreeheating.com/

relating to woodburning stoves.....is it best to buy one that burns both pellets AND logs just in case the EPA puts the pellet people out of business or causes them to raise prices too high with new emission regs?
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Planning to stop there and country squire in howell. Flame to fire isn't open on Sundays, which is my "shopping day". Too much stuff to do today.

Skip country squire. Prices are very high. The place I bought my insert from is hearth n home in Perry, but I had heard they closed.

Check out hearth.com A lot of good information there. We bought an Avalon Olympic, which is the biggest insert we could fit in the fireplace. I think it was right around $3,400 installed, with the chimney. It is nice, and heats our whole first and second floor.

Looking back, I kinda wish we would have went with a furnace add on one that uses the ductwork, as I am still figuring out what we are going to do to heat the basement (it is a walkout).

Brighton Stone also sells Avalon stoves, might want to check them out. Price was a little higher, but they are a local company. I have a thread from a couple of years ago about this.
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Buy the best chimney you can. I just had a chimney fire recently. Scary as hell seeing flames shooting out of your house. I have double wall, insulated, stainless that doesn't get alot of creosote build up but had enough for a fire. Didn't damage any part of the house at all.
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where is pine tree?

I want to save some $$I but like you my lower living room is usually pretty chilly. Which is where im installing it.


Consensus is to just install yourself? Cram it in the hole, run chimney pipe and cap and call it good? Seems simple just ddidnt want to burn my house down
Pine Tree is in Lapeer. http://www.pinetreeheating.com/

I would assume you'll need power as well for the blower, but that is pretty simple to install as well. A basic 110 plug is all thats needed.


Regarding which stove to pick, if you plan to heat the whole house make sure the BTU is high enough. That will eliminate most of the cheap ones right out of the gate. Then there are the various blowers and such that add cost. I believe some of the higher end wood inserts also have some basic furnace like functions which regulate the temp better than the basic stoves that require you to be fiddling with it constantly. Also, efficiencies do matter to some degree, but most new stoves will be pretty close. Efficiency coupled with the size of the firebox will dictate burn times. You don't want to have to get up to restock it every two hours. Also, I would look to see if there are any current tax incentives on them. When I bought mine, as long as it was a minimum efficiency I would get %30 back on my taxs.

Regarding install, pipe depends on what sort of fireplace you have now. If you have a real fireplace then simply sticking it in and running the recommended pipe works. If it's just a decorative fireplace for the little gas logs, then it may require insulated pipe which is much more expensive. I don't know about the wood burning ones, but many of the pellet stoves are designed for zero clearance installs so there isn't much to be worried about.
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Unfortunately, our fireplace is in the living room, and the french doors don't let the heat out to the rest of the house. when we moved in, there was a soapstone woodburner set on ceramic tile and cement board. That sucker was heavy. The flue has a cutout for stovepipe, so it would be easy to re-run the pipe, but we wanted to use the fireplace as it was installed, (smoky joe) so we are going with an instert.

Our firebox has a rounded top, with the bricks around the box pushed out 1/2" beyond the front of the brick wall. I have tons of wood to burn, seasoned to go, but can't burn it because the damper is damaged. It has the chunk cut out, but the screw open/close mechanism is gone.
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Unfortunately, our fireplace is in the living room, and the french doors don't let the heat out to the rest of the house. when we moved in, there was a soapstone woodburner set on ceramic tile and cement board. That sucker was heavy. The flue has a cutout for stovepipe, so it would be easy to re-run the pipe, but we wanted to use the fireplace as it was installed, (smoky joe) so we are going with an instert.

Our firebox has a rounded top, with the bricks around the box pushed out 1/2" beyond the front of the brick wall. I have tons of wood to burn, seasoned to go, but can't burn it because the damper is damaged. It has the chunk cut out, but the screw open/close mechanism is gone.
Uh, what does that have to do with anything in this thread?
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