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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:28 AM   #81
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Before anyone can jump in with a scathing and belligerent reply to this... He's 100% right in where he stands. It's obvious he has put a lot of thought into buying a firearm and has simply decided that he just doesn't want one at this time. There's nothing wrong with that and going ape shit on him for it is going to do nothing to bring someone into the world of gun ownership. I just wish you would've mentioned this a lot sooner.

Yeah... there's no reason in the world to justify your beliefs to anyone on the internet but when you inject yourself into a topic like this it helps to actually offer your viewpoint on it.

On the other hand... The reasons you have mentioned can all be addressed with proper training and the mentorship of a responsible and respectful gun owner. Practice and training will teach you how to not only handle the weapon but also deeply ingrain how and when to use it in such a way that adrenaline won't completely cancel out your judgement.

While the likelihood of ANY of us really ever NEEDING to use our firearms in a defensive situation is pretty slim there are a few members on here who have had to deal with that situation and did so in a very effective and controlled manner.

Stan's encounter with the homeless gentleman at one of his rental properties in Detroit a few years back would be a perfect example. You would much rather have it and not need it than be left with everything you hold most dear in life (for most of us that would be family and children) because you were left waiting for the cops to show up when an armed man forces his way into your house.

You may have the most bulletproof rig on the trail but there will come a day when that winch, tow strap or spare tire will save your ass out there. A gun is just another tool that you hope you never have to use.

He didn't say that none of us should have guns. He respects our beliefs in this aspect. Respect his for simply not wanting to take the next step yet.
Incredibly well said.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #82
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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #83
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. Like anything else, criminals will aquire the weapons they desire regardless of the law.
This is key.

Why should i have my rights infringed upon when it will little to address the actual issue. They need to focus on the people illegally buying/selling/using firearms and leave those who abide by the rules alone.

An assault weapon ban will have no impact on people who do not obey the law in the first place
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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:49 AM   #84
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Incredibly well said.
x2. and clearly has no place being stated so eloquently in the pub.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:50 AM   #85
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Old October 18th, 2012, 08:55 AM   #86
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I keep reading "assault weapon" whenever gun rights are being discussed. By who's definition makes a projectile firing device an "assault weapon"?

Are you more dead after being shot with an AK47 or hit with a .22

The media is grooming the general uneducated public into thinking there is a difference, you gun guys seem to be playing along.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #87
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Shit, look at who we have for a president, the general uneducated public is the majority!
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #88
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49458564...s#.UIACPcXA81M

"I was gon shoot the mfer but that shit's an extra nickel!!!!!"

Are people really that fucking stupid? Rhetorical question.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #89
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Criminals always buy their guns and ammo retail and pay all applicable taxes, so that should stop crime in it's tracks.
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No guns in my house because of young kids. I support the Second Amendment but I'm kinda so so on assult weapons. Like anything else, criminals will aquire the weapons they desire regardless of the law.
Can you define what an "assault weapon" is? You are aware that the proposed bans (and the clinton ban) targeted COSMETIC features on weapons (exception is the magazine capacity limit).

I'll tell you right now... My Remington 742 Woodsmaster 30-06 with a few extra magazines would do a hell of a lot more damage in a crowd than a Ruger 10/22 with a 50 round drum. There is NO logic to any of this.

I fully agree with heavily regulating machine guns though.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:49 AM   #91
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Here we go! Tax your way out of a problem!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews


CHICAGO – As Chicago struggles to quell gang violence that has contributed to a jump in homicides, a top elected official wants to tax the sale of every bullet and firearm -- an effort even she acknowledges could spark a legal challenge.
Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle will submit a budget proposal Thursday that calls for a tax of a nickel for each bullet and $25 for each firearm sold in the nation's second-largest county, which encompasses Chicago.
Preckwinkle's office estimates the tax will generate about $1 million a year, money that would be used for various county services including medical care for gunshot victims. Law enforcement officials would not have to pay the tax, but the office said it would apply to 40 federally licensed gun dealers in the county.
Through last week, the city reported 409 homicides this year compared to 324 during the same period in 2011. Although the violence still doesn't approach the nearly 900 homicides a year Chicago averaged in the 1990s, officials say gang violence was largely to blame for a rash of shootings earlier this year.
Preckwinkle insists the ordinance is far more about addressing gun violence than raising money for a county that faces a deficit of more than $100 million next year.
"We think that's an appropriate thing to do, especially in the light of the gun violence we struggle to deal with in our criminal justice system and our public health system," she told a local newspaper editorial board this week, according to a transcript of the meeting provided by her office. "The legal gun shops in suburban Cook County are a conduit for crimes in Chicago. There's no way around it."
Preckwinkle declined to speak with The Associated Press ahead of the announcement Thursday, but her spokeswoman Kristen Mack confirmed the details of the plan.
Mack said the office has found no other jurisdiction in the nation that has imposed a tax on bullets, even though several have considered it. Legislation on such a tax was previously introduced by state lawmakers in Springfield, but it was never been voted on, she said.
Richard Pearson, the executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, scoffs at such talk, saying the tax wouldn't do anything to address gang violence but would harm local businesses and law-abiding citizens.
"If she wants to get to the people causing all the problems she ought to put a tax on street gangs," he said. "All this is going to do is drive business out of Cook County, into other counties, Indiana and Wisconsin."
One suburban gun shop owner agreed, saying that his customers, many of whom are hunters and police officers, will simply go elsewhere.
"Who's going to come to Tinley Park to buy ammunition," said Fred Lutger, the owner of Freddie Bear Sport in that suburban Chicago community.
And, said Lutger of that money going toward treating gunshot victims, "Why should be paying for gang bangers shooting each other? You're taxing law-abiding citizens for what criminals are doing."
Gun rights advocates spent years challenging in court Chicago's handgun ban, which was ultimately overturned in 2010 by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Lutger said a lawsuit was certain. Pearson said he and others started talking about a legal challenge as soon as they heard Preckwinkle was considering the tax.
Even Preckwinkle seemed resigned to a legal challenge in her comments to the newspaper board.
"You can't make decisions based on the basis of whether or not somebody's going to sue you or then you'll never do anything," she said.


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I'm pretty sure gangs aren't all the concerned with what they can write off on their taxes.
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I love how they see a problems with gangs and gun violence and part of their solution is to tax law abiding citizens.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #94
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"I'm pretty sure gangs aren't all the concerned with what they can write off on their taxes. "


You just made me cough up some coffee!
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Old October 18th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #95
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while I don't agree with some of Mitt's policies, I for one can't think of a single good reason why someone in his position would want to be President.
See that's why I like him. He has all the money he needs. He has a great family. I think that he honestly thinks he can make a difference.
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A person should be able to purchase any firearm they desire and can afford.


If they use it to commit a crime, they go away forever- period.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #97
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See that's why I like him. He has all the money he needs. He has a great family. I think that he honestly thinks he can make a difference.
Hopefully the lead paint on the walls of the White House don't deplete them brain cells like some of the past hopefuls.......
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See that's why I like him. He has all the money he needs. He has a great family. I think that he honestly thinks he can make a difference.
I was going to say the same. I think he wants to run because he cares and feels he can make a difference.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 10:40 AM   #99
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Here we go! Tax your way out of a problem!

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CHICAGO
I'm not surprised. Cook County is probably one of the most socialist places in America.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #100
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I was going to say the same. I think he wants to run because he cares and feels he can make a difference.
Isn't that what (insert candidates name here) told us before he was elected?
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