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Old November 19th, 2006, 01:09 PM   #1
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Well...you libs went and done it now. You elected all those dems into office and now look.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.

U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #2
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It works well in Germany and I think it would do wonders for the FAT young americans society is producing.
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Damn!

As I recall, that was a cornerstone of the last presidential election ("don't vote for Bush, he's gonna reinstate the draft").

I think it's a BAD idea.

Our current military is structured to be a volunteer force. Unlike the old days, there's no room for the unwilling, unmotivated, or untrainable. Today's military is more skilled and educated than the past - not a lot of potato peelers. Much of the unskilled work has been outsourced.

In fact, they reject more people mid-enlistment for "unsuitability" than ever before. They don't have the time, energy, or patience needed to shape up those that aren't "with the program".
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Well...you libs went and done it now. You elected all those dems into office and now look.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.

U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

I do not opose it. Not for me or my children. As a matter of fact not just the draft but a 2 year service rotation for every American would be good.

In a way simular to how Isreal recruits for its Military. That way a broader section of America will know and feel the sacrifice that our troops make, both for the physical seperation and work but the sacrifice that is made by the family 's of our troops.


With that many people serving we could secure our Northern and Southern Borders. Shipping Ports, Air Ports, Schools, Nuclear Power Plants and everything else that we have need to secure. It would not need to be traditional Army type of stuff. Sure the basic training would be the same but then break off for some other hands on skills training from caprentry to engineering, heavy equipment operation/repair.


At the end of 2 years everyone leaving would have a skill that is useful and can thus be contributing member of society, with skills that will allow them to support a family.

Funding it would be a killer and to be honest I do not yet have a plan for that part of it. I do believe that it would have some real benifits.
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I say reinstate it for sure. Get some diversity in our armed forces. How many people of Indian, Arab or Asian descent do you see serving? None, yet they get all the benefits of being an American.

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It works well in Germany and I think it would do wonders for the FAT young americans society is producing.
I think you would look good in uniform...
















































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I do not opose it. Not for me or my children. As a matter of fact not just the draft but a 2 year service rotation for every American would be good.

In a way simular to how Isreal recruits for its Military. That way a broader section of America will know and feel the sacrifice that our troops make, both for the physical seperation and work but the sacrifice that is made by the family 's of our troops.


With that many people serving we could secure our Northern and Southern Borders. Shipping Ports, Air Ports, Schools, Nuclear Power Plants and everything else that we have need to secure. It would not need to be traditional Army type of stuff. Sure the basic training would be the same but then break off for some other hands on skills training from caprentry to engineering, heavy equipment operation/repair.


At the end of 2 years everyone leaving would have a skill that is useful and can thus be contributing member of society, with skills that will allow them to support a family.

Funding it would be a killer and to be honest I do not yet have a plan for that part of it. I do believe that it would have some real benifits.
your insane. no offence but, its people like you that make me wanna move to Canada.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 03:15 PM   #8
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It works well in Germany and I think it would do wonders for the FAT young americans society is producing.
No fukc that. I'm young, not fat, and have no interest at all in serving the government. Fuck the draft, I'll move to canada.
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As a veteran myself, I think some form of national service isn't a bad idea. Make it a requirement for things like subsidized student loans/grants, etc... It wouldn't necessarily be the military, but somewhere they could add value.

If that makes you want to move to Canada, then good riddance.

That's a big part of the problem with the U.S. - people who think that all of the benefits we have "just happened" and that the most important thing in the world is waiting in line for a freaking video game or some other self-indulgent crap - "it's all about MEEEEEEEE".
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ok, i can agree with what some of you are saying, like a mandatory 2-year service thing, but not drafting into the military. If the U.S. was to try to force me to go to Iraq or some other god awful region that we don't need to be in anyway...screw that. Canada here I come. I'm a pacifist.
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ok, i can agree with what some of you are saying, like a mandatory 2-year service thing, but not drafting into the military. If the U.S. was to try to force me to go to Iraq or some other god awful region that we don't need to be in anyway...screw that. Canada here I come. I'm a pacifist.
Then you can be an unarmed corpsman - perfect pacifist duty.

There's a guy from the Flint area who was a pararescue guy in the Vietnam war. He would be lowered into hostile territory, locate and retrieve downed / wounded aviators, pilots, and aircrew. Once they were aboard the chopper and safe, he would get back in. Didn't carry a weapon. Probably one of the baddest ass people I've ever heard of, and a pacifist.

You go where you're needed - again, it's not about YOU, but about the greater good. It has nothing to do with whether you agree with the big picture or not. I'd bet the 1000s of troops who died at Iwo Jima would rather have been somewhere else. Hell, I bet a lot of them were prepared to cede Asia to the Japanese if it would've got them outta there. But they didn't, they stepped up and did their duty - not their personal preference, but their duty.
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Then you can be an unarmed corpsman - perfect pacifist duty.

There's a guy from the Flint area who was a pararescue guy in the Vietnam war. He would be lowered into hostile territory, locate and retrieve downed / wounded aviators, pilots, and aircrew. Once they were aboard the chopper and safe, he would get back in. Didn't carry a weapon. Probably one of the baddest ass people I've ever heard of, and a pacifist.

You go where you're needed - again, it's not about YOU, but about the greater good. It has nothing to do with whether you agree with the big picture or not. I'd bet the 1000s of troops who died at Iwo Jima would rather have been somewhere else. Hell, I bet a lot of them were prepared to cede Asia to the Japanese if it would've got them outta there. But they didn't, they stepped up and did their duty - not their personal preference, but their duty.
right on duffman.

t seems sova has a fair amount of respect for the enemey .... so i think a medic would be great. Since the jihadists are so well known for bitching about the treatment of their un-uniformed soldiers (correct me if i am wrong sova you made comments in the not to distant past about treatment of gitmo detainees and didnt agree with me that they do not diserve acomodations agreed apon form the geneva convention .... nevermind that they are not a nation and were not signee's). Anyways my point is uniformed medics with the red cross on them CANNOT be shot at. This is the perfect job for you. Saving people and trusting your life to a bunch of suicidal bombers. You dont carry arms and dont fight. You cannot be shot cause its in the geneva convention and i am sure the insurgents abide by it.
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Only those with thier own tools and capable fabbing skillz will be allowed into Canada :P


I would not contest it if there was a mandatory 2 year term, as long as they returned the favour and offered a free 2 year college course pertaining to the field of youe active duty/ interest
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I'm a pacifist.
Except when it comes to killing babies
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Old November 19th, 2006, 05:11 PM   #15
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Except when it comes to killing babies
not true, i've never killed a baby. But why are you so against killing babies? It's in the bible. God kills babies.

3) Murdering Children



Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)



Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)



Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)



God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)



More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

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i just dont wanna get my ass shot off for someting i dont believe in.
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It's in the bible. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

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See my post in the other thread about your nonsense. Quit cutting and pasting about something you know nothing about.
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your insane. no offence but, its people like you that make me wanna move to Canada.
Yea... I know.... I know...I have considered the same move many times since the 2000 election.

I am thinking that it would not need to be active duty combat like say Iraq. But only the Military in general could turn some stoned slackers into productive people. And back in 1984 I fit that generalzation.

Peace Corp or Americorps with more of a Millitary slant for training.... and projects of building things like inner city schools, road repair, and boarder security.
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I do not opose it. Not for me or my children. As a matter of fact not just the draft but a 2 year service rotation for every American would be good.

In a way simular to how Isreal recruits for its Military. That way a broader section of America will know and feel the sacrifice that our troops make, both for the physical seperation and work but the sacrifice that is made by the family 's of our troops.


With that many people serving we could secure our Northern and Southern Borders. Shipping Ports, Air Ports, Schools, Nuclear Power Plants and everything else that we have need to secure. It would not need to be traditional Army type of stuff. Sure the basic training would be the same but then break off for some other hands on skills training from caprentry to engineering, heavy equipment operation/repair.


At the end of 2 years everyone leaving would have a skill that is useful and can thus be contributing member of society, with skills that will allow them to support a family.

Funding it would be a killer and to be honest I do not yet have a plan for that part of it. I do believe that it would have some real benifits.

Works in many countries throughout the world, there are still many European countries that have 1-2 year mandatory service.
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