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Old July 6th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #21
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Stigma of having depression or 'mental illness'... Depression is very hard for people to understand, who don't have it. You can have everything, and still see the world as bleak. You can be screaming for help inside, but you can't make your mouth ask for it. I thought Chris McCosky's article after Junior Seau killed himself was one of the best I'd seen, its worth a read:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ON03/205050381
After reading the article it still is what it is...... self battle. If a person is feeling depressed they should seek help, but I know many that refuse.

Maybe we have too many ignorant depressed people out there who do not know the dangers? Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are afraid of losing their jobs? I don't know.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 08:58 AM   #22
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I lost my cousin to suicide in 2001 and it has been one of the most devistating things in my life. Suicide is hard on the survivors because you have not just grieving but so much guilt. For the first six months anytime I had that was alone or crying just resulted in tears. I ended up so angry at myself and a lot of my family.
Take care of yourself and be there for your friend's family. The grief from suicide is something that you can't even understand until you have lived through it.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:04 AM   #23
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I don't understand it. I understand what I read, but I don't understand the "illness". Have I been depressed, strugggled with my career, felt that there was no light at the end of the tunnel, realized my life is miserable at the moment? Yes. Thought about walking away from it all? Yes. Thought about killing myself? No.

It's sad to see this happen to anyone, at any age.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #24
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I don't understand it.
That right there is the conundrum. The vast majority of us don't. Even the folks struggling with depression at that level don't understand why they can't feel 'normal' (what is normal anyway?) - why they can't enjoy life, feel the blessings that they no doubt have.

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While many of us may have a dune flag, might have even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, the overwhelming vast majority of us are not properly trained to deal with clinical depression. This is more than just a case of the "Muuuuundaaaaaaaaays" - it is as you stated, something very few people can understand - or know how to properly treat.

You can offer a shoulder, or lend an ear, but in so doing I hope anyone that has been in that position of "helping" has urged, pushed, pulled, pleaded, begged and/or helped find the individual some help if they have even an inkling. Ultimately however, if someone succeeds on acting out on those self-destructive impulses, realizing that it's not your fault if they do.


Sandals, my hope and prayer is that you and the family and friends can find some peace from the good memories you had of Jason, and move quickly past the feelings that KA described.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:21 AM   #25
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Why is it that 9 times out of 10 when you hear about someone killing themselves the story goes, "We didn't even know anything was wrong..."?

Is that the key to who is really suicidal? Do they just hide their feelings then one day go do it?

You never seem to hear anyone ever say, "Well yeah, we knew he was depressed and he was always talking about killing himself."

I've always thought of the people that always talk so bleak, threaten to do it, then take 6 Advils and call 911 as attention seekers.

Those people are simple, they need some form of help, whether it's attention or serious mental help.

But how do you even help someone that you don't know is in trouble?
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:21 AM   #26
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Sorry to hear, Sandals



Stigma of having depression or 'mental illness'... Depression is very hard for people to understand, who don't have it. You can have everything, and still see the world as bleak. You can be screaming for help inside, but you can't make your mouth ask for it. I thought Chris McCosky's article after Junior Seau killed himself was one of the best I'd seen, its worth a read:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ON03/205050381
That is a very well written article and explains it perfectly.
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I don't understand it. I understand what I read, but I don't understand the "illness". Have I been depressed, strugggled with my career, felt that there was no light at the end of the tunnel, realized my life is miserable at the moment? Yes. Thought about walking away from it all? Yes. Thought about killing myself? No.

It's sad to see this happen to anyone, at any age.
It's all that but doesn't go away regardless of things that should make you happy to overcome feeling down. Alcohol only makes it worse even if it helps during the drinking session.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #28
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Sorry to hear about your loss Sandals.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #29
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Old neighbor had a couple panic attacks, doc gave him some pills for them and a couple weeks later he did himself in while getting ready for a freinds wedding.

Last person in the world I would think to ever do that.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #30
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I don't know.
Its not necessarily rational. But thats how it goes. Like I said, Just because a person doesn't ask for help, doesn't mean they don't want help. It can be a downward spiral sometimes. Because a person might be struggling, and can't break out of it to help themselves. And feel like why doesn't anyone see, isn't it obvious how bad it is? Why don't my friends see and help? And its not like someone says: oh I have depression, so you go to the store and buy the cure. Most people I know who've taken those kind of meds hate them and stop taking them.

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Old July 6th, 2012, 10:11 AM   #31
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So diagnosed or un-diagnosed we have to hope for the best that good people do not off themselves..........
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Old July 6th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #32
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So diagnosed or un-diagnosed we have to hope for the best that good people do not off themselves..........
Pretty much.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #33
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I knew a guy in high school who started talking about killing himself. Then one day he drove around to his friend's houses and dropped off stuff he wanted them to have. Then he went out on I-75 and drove into an overpass. The really weird thing was he did it so calmly and well planned out.
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