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Old June 24th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #41
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I only ran Castle. Saw too many Tekin RX8's burn buggies to the ground.
I had the opposite results....I raced my SC10 4x4 with MMP and Castle 3800 burned up 2 MMPs and after the second BEC going out I then upgraded to RX8 and a Caslte 3800 setup...never had an issue. Then I had a Mamba max monster on my Losi 8ight 2.0 and melted it down at AMS, got it back BEC went out and the fan. I can run my RX8 in my Losi SCTE ten with PRo 4 4600 with 60C batteries and not even need to run a fan on my RX8.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #42
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Via motors is working with GM to build an electric / hybrid truck that would be 4wd. The company is part owned by Bob Lutz (Former GM). The only downside I see to them right now is the cost is estimated to be at $79,000 for the first year of production. Check it out http://www.viamotors.com/

BTW, I bought stock in Tesla a few years ago and quadrupled my money with the announcement of the Model S. Think it might be time to pull out the profit....
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Old June 25th, 2012, 08:29 PM   #43
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I am not an engineer, so when I can see the wrongness of your post, it's pretty bad.

No one is doubting the longevity of the motors, it's the stupid expensive battery pack.

What do you do when your cell phone battery no longer holds a charge? Get a new battery, or get a new phone? Same for the cars, except multiply cost by 1000.

400 mile range on a charge don't mean squat when you need 8 hours to recharge.
Drive 400 miles on a tank of gas and you can refill in 5 minutes. Don't go on about 'bed down for the night', I routinely drive 10+ hours, often 12 hours, before calling it a night.

4 motors, one at each wheel? Are you talking hub motors? We are talking 'unsprung weight'. Look it up, it's bad.

VFD's? yep, those NEVER fail.

The only way electric can become competitive is through economy of scale. Until their is sufficient demand, there will be no economy of scale. Hence my cell phone marketing plan outlined above. They need to create demand.
Corrected, but otherwise I agree.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:54 AM   #44
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I don't care if you're for or against electric cars, the BIG problem I got out of that article was this....
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Tesla Motors is a public company that's valued at over $3.5 billion and has received $465 million in US government loans, all on the back of the promise that it can deliver a real world, all-electric car to the mainstream market
It seems that government funds are too easily obtained for companies that "promise" us a greener world.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #45
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I don't care if you're for or against electric cars, the BIG problem I got out of that article was this....

It seems that government funds are too easily obtained
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Old August 9th, 2013, 06:35 AM   #46
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Just thought I would bring this up again for all of the skeptics. I to have seen the new lease and purchase rates for the volt. They are now as cost effective as a gas powered car.
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Just thought I would bring this up again for all of the skeptics. I to have seen the new lease and purchase rates for the volt. They are now as cost effective as a gas powered car.
Maybe it's because GM has a shit ton of these cars sitting on lots all over and need to get them the fukk out?

I still like the tech, but it's still a ways away from economically viable.
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The Government and Motor companies will never get it.

Electric cars are like feeding a kid Broccoli, they may have some benefits that are good for us but we can and will live without them. Its our choice.

Stop forcing them on us and let the market work them in, like everything else...............and stop with the incentives, unless you are going to give me the same incentive on a Mustang GT.
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Maybe it's because GM has a shit ton of these cars sitting on lots all over and need to get them the fukk out?

I still like the tech, but it's still a ways away from economically viable.
Your right the have a huge surplus of these volts and apparently the loose money off of making each one.

http://m.green.autoblog.com/2012/09/...-true-says-gm/
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Maybe it's because GM has a shit ton of these cars sitting on lots all over and need to get them the fukk out?

I still like the tech, but it's still a ways away from economically viable.
a co worker just leased one, I think he's paying less then $200/month, and his fuel cost went from about $300/month to under $100, cost to charge the car is $25/month, so he basically is paying for the volt with what his fuel used to cost.

how is that not economically viable?
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If I get a Volt, I get to park in the parking garage under my building with all the executives because they have charging stations down there.

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If I get a Volt, I get to park in the parking garage under my building with all the executives because they have charging stations down there.

in the winter, that would make it worth the least price LOL
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TSLA, not doing so badly...

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Maybe it's because GM has a shit ton of these cars sitting on lots all over and need to get them the fukk out?

I still like the tech, but it's still a ways away from economically viable.
I hate government subsidy. But that does not come into the computation for the end user.
I do not care how many are back logged on the lot.
If you are looking for a new cheap transport your ass back and forth to work. The math is getting harder to argue. The performance is their as well.
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a co worker just leased one, I think he's paying less then $200/month, and his fuel cost went from about $300/month to under $100, cost to charge the car is $25/month, so he basically is paying for the volt with what his fuel used to cost.

how is that not economically viable?
OK, to clarify- It's not economically viable for GM.

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I hate government subsidy. But that does not come into the computation for the end user.
I do not care how many are back logged on the lot.
If you are looking for a new cheap transport your ass back and forth to work. The math is getting harder to argue. The performance is their as well.
Co-worker is looking into leasing one, and if I were in the market for a car so would I. I live 4 miles from work, I literally would never need to buy gas.

But losing money on cars is not going to keep GM building Volts. And I am not very pleased that a portion of my pay is going to help someone else buy a new car.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...220709669.html

The gas powered car died today.

I have been a serious skeptic, for the last few years of the electric auto.

However, this small little startup company, showed GM, Ford and Chrysler how to do it today.

This electric car, although price limiting to most, just killed the gas powered passanger vehical.
Tesla is hardly a "little startup company"!!! Tesla has been around for over a decade and has made a ton of BADASS cars.

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Not to mention they have some serious financial backing
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Tesla is hardly a "little startup company"!!! Tesla has been around for over a decade and has made a ton of BADASS cars.
I guess 10 years and a month qualifies as "over a decade". I'm not sure if I would call 2250 copies of the same vehicle "a ton of BADASS cars"
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I guess 10 years and a month qualifies as "over a decade". I'm not sure if I would call 2250 copies of the same vehicle "a ton of BADASS cars"
I looked it up, the Tesla roadster weighs about 4650lbs, so technically EACH Tesla is TWO tons of BADASS car.
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