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Old November 8th, 2006, 09:44 PM   #21
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I am a Free Will Baptist and these are my beliefs

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I was raised going to church every Sunday, and after a few years of it they go over the same things every year. and Because I Married out of the church I feel like a outcast. Small town Gossup and My Parents Divorce and Dad re-marring and haveing three more kids we are like the black sheep of the Church.

And one day in Church the Father said: To be a good Christian you do not have to go to church, Some of the Best Christian Do not even attened. So I thought yes he was right so I do my talking with God on my time.
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Old November 8th, 2006, 10:35 PM   #23
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Dr. Kevin Riggs: A FOURTH-GENERATION FREE WILL BAPTIST MINISTER, I have been asked to write a series of three articles about our denominationís heritage.

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It was passion that caused our denomination to stand against slavery, against alcohol during the prohibition, against liberalism, against neo-orthodoxy, against connectional church government, against fanatical Pentecostalism, against abortion, against gambling and the lottery, and against same-sex marriages.
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Mostly I hate the part about having to get up earlier than I otherwise would. I don't make it very often, maybe a few times a year.
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Why funny?

I'm against abortion, same-sex marriges and I'm not that much of a liberal . . . your just a super converative so it seems like I'm this crazy liberal but compared to crazy liberals I am considered quite moderate. I'm suprised you have the internet to be honest since crazy liberal propaganda might be brought into your house through the internet. Make sure you put a password on it
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I'm a Baptist, and I enjoy going to church. Twice on Sunday, and once on Wednesday evenings.

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Why funny?

I'm against abortion, same-sex marriges and I'm not that much of a liberal . . . your just a super converative so it seems like I'm this crazy liberal but compared to crazy liberals I am considered quite moderate. I'm suprised you have the internet to be honest since crazy liberal propaganda might be brought into your house through the internet. Make sure you put a password on it
Sorry, I had you confused with a guy that used to be on this board, he went by CMUJeeper. Sorry about the mistake, he was a real commie.
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Ok... here we go... flame on...

I have not found an organised church that I like. I am a religous person. What I find is that I am judged. It is not for Christians to judge me, rather it is Him who is to judge. I have alot of tattoos that depict death and dying, and yeah maybe my humor is a bit off key. However I do no intentionally do anything against Him. Sex, murder and many other things I joke about are contained in the scriptures, although they aren't really talked about much. Maybe society holds me in a little disarray, but none the less I try not to do anything against my beliefs, which is non denominational. The one Church I did attend for a tad bit, which is the same Church that Grifter and 87 YJ attend, was pretty cool until I started into a Tuesday night group. Things fell apart from there as I saw that politics, to a point, still ruled. I want a Church that is about faith. Who cares about who you are or what you do... as long as you are there for the right reasons. Love people for who they are, and not what you stereotype them to be.
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Old November 9th, 2006, 02:14 AM   #29
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I was dragged to church every Sunday morning as a kid. I did my time.

At that age every mass felt the same because I didn't pay attention to the words. Even when do go now, which is usually just Christmas and Easter with the family, I still have a tendancy to zone out and just go thru the motions (or scan the crowd for hotties ).

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I get spiritual without Church, on my own time. Most Sunday mornings you'll find me out in the woods camping, coffee in hand, enjoying my wife's company and the surrounding nature.
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not to hijack.. but do you know about scientology? if so what theta level would you call yourself :D .. its typically a famous/rich person religion because they have higher theta levels o.O.. oh yah and that wierd dyanetix guy that created the religion and oh yah dont forget the aliens :) .. not knocking it just i think you are missusing the word scientology ..
You're probably very right......I believe Darwin as well.

I agree with Miffy that if you live your life by rules that eveybody can agree with IE the ten commandments......Church just becomes a social gathering of like minded people. Since "God is with you always" the "building" church just becomes a structure to visit with others.

Oh sunday mornings when I'm riding my motorcycle down the trails I just PRAY TO GOD SCOOTER ISN'T AROUND with the video camera to watch me fall down :tonka: Oh....speeking of video
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Old November 9th, 2006, 06:23 AM   #32
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Funny you razz me about not sending the video, but I haven't heard a peep from you about the life-like 12" black dildo I sent to the address you gave me...
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Old November 9th, 2006, 06:43 AM   #33
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I feel I am very religous. I was dragged to church as a kid.
After we got married, we did go, but not very often. We put our kids into Rel. Ed. programs.
The kids 15 and 13 are both involved with the youth groups there. They have both made many friends through it. I was shocked the first time they came home and said the had a pie fight in the gym. My daughter went to Appalachia and roofed a house this summer. She came back with a different outlook on things and what she has. And many of the kids that went mentioned how much the people there have, even though they don't have material things.

Anyways.............
I enjoy hearing the gospel, mainly because I don't do much reading on my own. I take what I hear as truth or "Gospel" if you will. lol I do have questions, but that's human nature.
I leave church feeling good inside. My wife was nominated and selected for the Parish Counsel. Not something she would have pursued on her own, she was approached about it. Because we do help out with the kids being there, she felt she wouldn't say no to it. Kind of if it happens fine, if not no biggie. She is the youngest one there!!!!

However, if we decide on any given Sunday morning we would rather go hiking <We do a lot of trail running/hiking year round> We don't feel guilty about missing mass. I can talk to God in the woods, I actually feel closer there than anywhere. It's easier to believe if you take a few minutes and look around you.

I was born and raised Catholic. I give what I can when I can. Which usually isn't very much, very often.

BTW DAVE, I still can't load your website from home.
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Old November 9th, 2006, 06:50 AM   #34
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I have not found an organised church that I like. I am a religous person. What I find is that I am judged. It is not for Christians to judge me, rather it is Him who is to judge. I have alot of tattoos that depict death and dying, and yeah maybe my humor is a bit off key. However I do no intentionally do anything against Him. Sex, murder and many other things I joke about are contained in the scriptures, although they aren't really talked about much. Maybe society holds me in a little disarray, but none the less I try not to do anything against my beliefs, which is non denominational. The one Church I did attend for a tad bit, which is the same Church that Grifter and 87 YJ attend, was pretty cool until I started into a Tuesday night group. Things fell apart from there as I saw that politics, to a point, still ruled. I want a Church that is about faith. Who cares about who you are or what you do... as long as you are there for the right reasons. Love people for who they are, and not what you stereotype them to be.

Your Flaw in this is that there are Humans that go and they will always be judgemental.:tonka: Thats why I stay home and keep my values to myself.
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I have one observation.

First, I agree that to know and believe in Christ you do not need to attend church.

However, I think Church does serve a purpose

1) Congregation with other Christians. Think of it as a support group

2) Education. I imagine someone could learn calculus on their own, but it would be a lot easier to attend class and have it taught to you. Similiarily you can study the bible on your own, but it helps you to gain information by hearing what other people have learned from the bible over 2000+ years.

For the same reason I often find myself listening to christian radio on my way home at night or on weekends. I hear a lot of scripture I would not otherwise necessarily hear and also see how it relates to current affairs.
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An old boss of mine told me that he went to church every Sunday, but he would go to a different church when he was up north hunting. One day his pastor here near Detroit pulled him aside and said that he heard he was going to church up north and giving there. The pastor asked that he not give at that church and instead give to his church. My boss that promptly left the church never to return.

Stories like that have kept me away from church.
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I have to say I like the idea of church, but i just don't know what one to attend. I have seen some people that are church goers that judge me on whatever I do or say and their way is the right way even though they can not back it up. But I do have a some friends (that you also know dave) that really do not shove it down your thoat and do not judge you and are really great people. I guess I would just like to know more what the differences are in all the different christian churches and religions. Some are so hardnosed that I could never be one because I am not perfect, and others you can do whatever you want and have no sense that it is not right (drugs, lying, stealing, ect). I am a firm believer in god and try to live my life right (although I do stumble sometimes). I guess it is not understanding how people can decipher the Bible in so many different ways.
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An old boss of mine told me that he went to church every Sunday, but he would go to a different church when he was up north hunting. One day his pastor here near Detroit pulled him aside and said that he heard he was going to church up north and giving there. The pastor asked that he not give at that church and instead give to his church. My boss that promptly left the church never to return.

Stories like that have kept me away from church.
There is biblical history in giving 1/10th of your possessions to God (a tithe) in that if you believe all your possessions are blessings from God, then really you are acknowledging that gift from God and investing 10% back to God to do God's work.

However, I have never read ANYWHERE that your Tithe has to go to one Church. The only acception might be that many churches create an annual budget based on a commitment of a certain amount of $$ from it's congregation. If your boss had committed that he would tithe $10k to the church that year and ended up only giving $5k, that could put the Church in debt in order to fulfill it's work. In that case it is not required, but considerate to fulfill your commitments.

Genesis 14
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Deuteronomy 14:22
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I have to say I like the idea of church, but i just don't know what one to attend. I have seen some people that are church goers that judge me on whatever I do or say and their way is the right way even though they can not back it up. But I do have a some friends (that you also know dave) that really do not shove it down your thoat and do not judge you and are really great people. I guess I would just like to know more what the differences are in all the different christian churches and religions. Some are so hardnosed that I could never be one because I am not perfect, and others you can do whatever you want and have no sense that it is not right (drugs, lying, stealing, ect). I am a firm believer in god and try to live my life right (although I do stumble sometimes). I guess it is not understanding how people can decipher the Bible in so many different ways.
Here is my opinion. We all have sin in our lives. There is not a single person who is free from sin, or there would be no need for Christ to be the salvation to cleanse us to be one with God. A church should not focus on the problem (the sin) but rather the solution (how to remove that sin from your life). This is consistent with my current aggrevation by the UCC. It is not that they are accepting gay people into the church, it is that they are celebrating the gayness rather than focusing on how to free them from their sin.
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He wasn't tithing (sp?) just the few bucks every week and this pastor said that to him and he was deeply disturbed by it.
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