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Old June 22nd, 2012, 09:59 AM   #101
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My boats got 100-120 hours per year while we were doing competitive skiing AND I was one of the team drivers. My last year of that was 1999 and since then I have put a total of 300 hours on my boat.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 12:08 PM   #102
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I know of at least one malibu on my lake that has 100 hrs on it this season.If you live on a lake and have teenage kids,your boat will not be shut off unless it is out of fuel.
Most boats sit 90% of the time,but there are a some kids on my lake that ski/tube all day,till after dark.
If I go to hardy dam for a weekend of boating it probobly involves 3-4 hrs of actual boating. So thats probobly around the 20hr a season kickstand mentioned.
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right, that's like saying i get a half a tank out of $20, I mean who cares what my mpg is, or how big my tank is.....

I used to use over a gallon a weekend....your post is useless.
No I dont think it was useless. When you use a gallon of oil a weekend and I can go all season (with living on the lake driving it at least 5 times a week for an hour or more and usally on sundays I try to be out on the water all day) dont you feel like running costs are cheaper? I wasnt talking about how much oil yours holds vs mine, I was talking about overall oil consumption as in how many gallons per year based apon useage. When you need a gallon every weekend to go out and play, and I can go out every weekend with just 1 gallon per year which is cheaper per weekend to get the boat off my hoist or trailer to be used equals to me more money I can put in the tank to get more useage. Maybe Im looking at it the wrong way, but when I go out I try to do things on the cheap and buying a gallon of $60 + oil a weekend would not work for me.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 12:32 PM   #104
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your boat will not be shut off unless it is out of fuel.
There is the other issue...

When I had my little Seadoo it was quite common to burn through $80-$100 worth of gas a day on the weekends. That was also back when gas was $2-2.25 a gallon.
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I know of at least one malibu on my lake that has 100 hrs on it this season.If you live on a lake and have teenage kids,your boat will not be shut off unless it is out of fuel.
Most boats sit 90% of the time,but there are a some kids on my lake that ski/tube all day,till after dark.
If I go to hardy dam for a weekend of boating it probobly involves 3-4 hrs of actual boating. So thats probobly around the 20hr a season kickstand mentioned.
It really depends on the type of boating. Use a slalom course for example. Each pass is less than 20 seconds. The rules on our course is you get 6 passes or 3 falls per set. So, a full set is 3 minutes. 3 guys in the boat, 2 sets each and that is 18 minutes plus another 5 idling to and from the course. Do that 3 days a week, 4 weeks a month for 4 months = about 20 hours a year.
Now, when I was driving comps, we practiced 2 nights a week, 2 hours a night plus the slalom skiing plus my kids doing individual practice of at least 2 hours a week each plus we did a show or comp every other week for an hour. So, during the heavy season, i was wracking up close to 40 hours a month. I can assure you, that is A LOT of boat time!

Recreation tubing, wake boarding and skiing has a lot of down time between skiers and sets. An hour on the water may only result in 15 minutes of actual run time.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 01:22 PM   #106
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I am a prop guy myself but there are advantages to both, the better question is what types of lakes are you going to be using it in? Size, depth, etc.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 01:44 PM   #107
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No I dont think it was useless. When you use a gallon of oil a weekend and I can go all season (with living on the lake driving it at least 5 times a week for an hour or more and usally on sundays I try to be out on the water all day) dont you feel like running costs are cheaper? I wasnt talking about how much oil yours holds vs mine, I was talking about overall oil consumption as in how many gallons per year based apon useage. When you need a gallon every weekend to go out and play, and I can go out every weekend with just 1 gallon per year which is cheaper per weekend to get the boat off my hoist or trailer to be used equals to me more money I can put in the tank to get more useage. Maybe Im looking at it the wrong way, but when I go out I try to do things on the cheap and buying a gallon of $60 + oil a weekend would not work for me.
I see we're dealing with a real rocket scientist here.

You are talking about a gallon of oil lasting you how many hours? How many gallons of fuel are you burning? Just stating you use a gallon of oil a season is fucking retarded.

At approximately 50-1 ratio you are burning 1 gallon of oil for 50 gallons of fuel, based on the approximate10% of horsepower rule for a 2 stroke at WOT/gallons per hour (17 gph in your case) you're telling me you put between 5 and 10 hours a season on your boat. burning 50 gallons of fuel.

THAT would be useFUL information, simply stating you only use a gallon of oil per year is useLESS information.

Also you really should shop around for your oil, $60 a gallon?

I used to get 2.5 gallon jugs of the high performance oil for $65, you can get the pwc oil for $30 a gallon all over the internet.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 02:43 PM   #108
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I see we're dealing with a real rocket scientist here.

You are talking about a gallon of oil lasting you how many hours? How many gallons of fuel are you burning? Just stating you use a gallon of oil a season is fucking retarded.

At approximately 50-1 ratio you are burning 1 gallon of oil for 50 gallons of fuel, based on the approximate10% of horsepower rule for a 2 stroke at WOT/gallons per hour (17 gph in your case) you're telling me you put between 5 and 10 hours a season on your boat. burning 50 gallons of fuel.

THAT would be useFUL information, simply stating you only use a gallon of oil per year is useLESS information.

Also you really should shop around for your oil, $60 a gallon?

I used to get 2.5 gallon jugs of the high performance oil for $65, you can get the pwc oil for $30 a gallon all over the internet.
I now see your point on lack of information guess im not up to your standards of debate and mathamatics. Never kept track of hours because I dont have an hour gauge and never kept track any other way, just estimate useage and now much of the tank I use on a trip. my Boat holds 28 gallons of gas empty and roughly 2 gallons of oil in the side tank. A full day on torch, running 90% of the day I usally only end up using a half tank but never kept track of the gallons, or how much oil it accually uses, guess I should be. Just know how much oil I buy per season not the exact amounts, so my fault for posting what I use, just know compared to owning a pwc, I spend a lot less on oil per year, didnt want to come off "retarded" tho We use our boat quite a bit, 100% know I put more than 5 to 10 hours on a season since we drive it at least 2-3 times a week.. The only point I was trying to make is I feel that a smaller jet boat (my 17ft 3 jet boat) has a lower running cost than most out there with gas/oil cost due to alot of factors(smaller boat, smaller motor) and thats important these days. Then again my boat doesnt go 80 mph like yours so you got to pay more to play harder just like everything in this world

And yes Ive been paying more for oil because I dont order off line, I shop locally, the last one I bought I believe I only paid 50 because he gave me a discount, looks like I will be looking around.

Barry good luck on a boat purchase.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 03:46 PM   #109
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I never bought my oil online, usually got it at bass pro shops
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I never bought my oil online, usually got it at bass pro shops
What kind did you run ? Mercury premium plus or other? Also whats the new "quicksilver" brand?

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I ran the merc premium plus synthetic blah blah, it was the recommended oil for my boat, I believe it was their most expensive oil, it's been a while.
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I ran the merc premium plus synthetic blah blah, it was the recommended oil for my boat, I believe it was their most expensive oil, it's been a while.
yeah it is their most expensive. I found it online for 130.25 for 3 gallons shipped to my house so that would close be 1 gallon free even with shipping it here.
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Damn, I may have to recant a portion of my statment calling you a retard, it sounds like it's gone up a bit in price. Like I said I used to get $65 for 2.5 gallons, I wonder if Bass Pro still has it for that?
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Damn, I may have to recant a portion of my statment calling you a retard, it sounds like it's gone up a bit in price. Like I said I used to get $65 for 2.5 gallons, I wonder if Bass Pro still has it for that?
well thanks.

Bass pro shops have the "quicksilver" line which says its the same but ive ran that premium plus for the life of the boat and I dont want to switch. Couldnt find the straight black bottle of mercury oil on the website.
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quicksilver is the same. quicksilver was mercury oil before mercury put their name on the oil.
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quicksilver is the same. quicksilver was mercury oil before mercury put their name on the oil.
good to know its not just a knock off. If the bottle dont look the same I freak out wondering whats up. thanks for clearing that up.
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I ran the merc premium plus synthetic blah blah, it was the recommended oil for my boat, I believe it was their most expensive oil, it's been a while.
That really served you well.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 06:18 PM   #118
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So back on topic...

There is a lot of data that will really go either way. I work at Wilson Marine in Howell, Mi and to be perfectly honest. Both boats have their ups and downs. But usually it comes down to six key factors that people look for when making a boat purchase.

Safety
Performance
Appearance
Comfort
Economy (Cost to Run)
Dependability

Now there are arguments each way as to which category goes to which boat (Prop V. Jet)

Props have been around a LOT longer than jet drives, there are also more companies that make a conventional stern drive boat than do a jet drive.

The only two big boat companies that still make a jet drive are Sea Doo and Yamaha. Companies such as Bayliner and Searay have made jet drives in the past, but have discontinued those models.

The number of stern drive manufacturers in the world is ridiculous, just off the top of my head I can think of atleast twenty or more.

So my question is, if it were as efficient, safe, high performing, or dependable as everyone says it is? Wouldn't more boat companies make a jet drive?

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Fuel issue, not oiling problem
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x2 I have inspected this motor and it was a fuel issue...
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