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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #121
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It is sad that you label them the most Christian. I would much rather prefer people correlate the Character of "Christian" as loving, caring, and humble. I think alot of Christians forget how much grace has been given to them. Some of them even mean well, they just don't go about doing it in the most loving way.
You're right, but thats how they label themselves, not agreeing with them
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For a nation that was founded under God (the bible was a text book in the early schools)
We seem to have lost the true meaning of what a christian really means and that is to be christ like to not judge or hate.
We dont hate none believers or people that choose to be gay.
We disagree with there choices in life but we do not hate them, we are all children of god wether you believe or not all you need to do is read the bible and actually study it for your proof! But again im just stating my opinon just like everyone else on here is also but if anyone has any questions about God or wants a good church to go to then just pm me...
..again one nation under God....
In God we trust...seems to be a pattern here
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For a nation that was founded under God (the bible was a text book in the early schools)
We seem to have lost the true meaning of what a christian really means and that is to be christ like to not judge or hate.
We dont hate none believers or people that choose to be gay.
We disagree with there choices in life but we do not hate them, we are all children of god wether you believe or not all you need to do is read the bible and actually study it for your proof! But again im just stating my opinon just like everyone else on here is also but if anyone has any questions about God or wants a good church to go to then just pm me...
..again one nation under God....
In God we trust...seems to be a pattern here
You are being judgmental and don't even realize it. It doesn't occur to you maybe some of us non believers have read the bible and make a conscience choice to head down other paths.

Ive read books that say we evolved from Monkeys. Your book says we come from God so it must be true. Mine says we came from Monkeys so it must be true... But wait..... (this is not an attempt to start the evolution/intelligent design debate. Just illustrating a point) I dont really see, or perhaps Im not paying attention? The other side of your line of thinking telling you that you are doing something wrong. Lighten up on the evangelism..... There are other ways to live and they do not all require one to bow at the alter.

You are aware that most of the references to "God" were not originally included, right?

In_God_we_trust In_God_we_trust
http://www.treasury.gov/about/educat...-we-trust.aspx
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Time to get your nose out of the bible and into a history book.
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For a nation that was founded under God (the bible was a text book in the early schools)
We seem to have lost the true meaning of what a christian really means and that is to be christ like to not judge or hate.
We dont hate none believers or people that choose to be gay.
We disagree with there choices in life but we do not hate them, we are all children of god wether you believe or not all you need to do is read the bible and actually study it for your proof! But again im just stating my opinon just like everyone else on here is also but if anyone has any questions about God or wants a good church to go to then just pm me...
..again one nation under God....
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The God mentioned is not necessarily the Christian God.

The Founding Fathers were Deists, and openly mocked religion. They were not Christian, at all.
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Agree. I do see some validity to an argument against calling it "marriage" based on the idea that "marriage" has historical religious roots, but calling it a "civil union" or something reeks of "separate but equal". Fact is "marriage" has become more of a civil institution than religious, and everyone should be afforded the same "benefits" it provides.
I'm all for providing the benefits, and definitely understanding where you're going with this line of conversation, however, I think it is the only option if homosexuals want to be wed.

What's the first thing you generally hear from the far right conservatives when gay marriage is brought up?

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God made adam and eve not adam and steve!
Same sex partners should not be allowed to marry because that is meant for a man and women to enjoy as a gift from god.
In this case - calling it a "Civil Union" give the majority of their opposition no religious reason to oppose it. The people left that will speak out against it will just be the ones brave enough to voice their hate: There will be NO Bible to hide behind because a civil union will not be "Marriage". Gays will no longer "Desecrate" Holy Matrimony.
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It is sad that you label them the most Christian. I would much rather prefer people correlate the Character of "Christian" as loving, caring, and humble. I think alot of Christians forget how much grace has been given to them. Some of them even mean well, they just don't go about doing it in the most loving way.
Scott - In my experience, I've never labeled an unpleasant "god-fearing" person as Christian: They usually announce it soon after meeting them.
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One of the reasons shes the ex?
lol no. She made other ridiculous choices to cause that....


It was funny though, she said his mom was nice (i'm assuming she was referring to the biological mother) which I knew because I have spoke to her multiple times dropping my son off, our kids are friends, her son has been at my ex's house. The kid seems normal, he's 6 or 7, I always wondered a little if his mom was gay but never thought much of it.

My ex did make an interesting comment though. She said, well knowing that I guess we just don't let our son go to their house. Otherwise I don't think we should make a big deal of it.

I didn't put much thought into it, but would you as a parent keep your child away from their home?

I'm "slightly" in the air on this one. Part of me says, what's the harm? It's not like they are going to perform gay sexual acts in front of the kids, or make the kids become gay, or lock them in the basement with gay porn. The other half of me questions if I want my son to be in an environment that I do not condone, agree with, or think is right. I have a part of me that is just uncomfortable with the situation.

Curious to hear some opinions...

and before anyone asks, you don't want pictures. They are not disgustingly ugly women, but they aren't hot.
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lol no. She made other ridiculous choices to cause that....


It was funny though, she said his mom was nice (i'm assuming she was referring to the biological mother) which I knew because I have spoke to her multiple times dropping my son off, our kids are friends, her son has been at my ex's house. The kid seems normal, he's 6 or 7, I always wondered a little if his mom was gay but never thought much of it.

My ex did make an interesting comment though. She said, well knowing that I guess we just don't let our son go to their house. Otherwise I don't think we should make a big deal of it.

I didn't put much thought into it, but would you as a parent keep your child away from their home?

I'm "slightly" in the air on this one. Part of me says, what's the harm? It's not like they are going to perform gay sexual acts in front of the kids, or make the kids become gay, or lock them in the basement with gay porn. The other half of me questions if I want my son to be in an environment that I do not condone, agree with, or think is right. I have a part of me that is just uncomfortable with the situation.

Curious to hear some opinions...

and before anyone asks, you don't want pictures. They are not disgustingly ugly women, but they aren't hot.
I don't have kids, and never will: If I *did* have children, I would want to meet the parents of all the friends before I let them hang out anywhere. Single/Gay/Straight/Whatever.
Homosexual does not equal bad / dangerous to me - and of all the people I met / worked with / befriended over the years - gay folk are really no different than straight folk.

I would see it just like any other situation - if said gay couple was trying to indoctrinate my child (which gays don't do, BTW), I'd treat it the same as if some other couple tried to impose their opinions on my child - whether it be political, religious, sexuality or drug views.
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For a nation that was founded under God (the bible was a text book in the early schools)
We seem to have lost the true meaning of what a christian really means and that is to be christ like to not judge or hate.
We dont hate none believers or people that choose to be gay.
We disagree with there choices in life but we do not hate them, we are all children of god wether you believe or not all you need to do is read the bible and actually study it for your proof! But again im just stating my opinon just like everyone else on here is also but if anyone has any questions about God or wants a good church to go to then just pm me...
..again one nation under God....
In God we trust...seems to be a pattern here
Your first statement is arrogant and incorrect. This nation was founded under the idea of religious freedom (including the choice of no religion). You will not find anything that mentions Jesus Christ in any of the originating documents and I don't think you will find anything that mentions God. The founding fathers refered to "Natures Law" when refering to a higher power when penning the originating documents. Also, proof of the Bible being used as a textbook in early classrooms or it didn't happen. Note: pulling "facts" from a uber Christian bullshit site doesn't coun't.
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When the schools start teaching your kids that it's ok to have two daddy's, and when they come to the schools to give speeches on homosexual life styles and the positive aspects of it you will have a different out look because then it will affect you and your life and your childrens life and your friends kids lives and on and on (like my run on sentence).
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I don't have kids, and never will: If I *did* have children, I would want to meet the parents of all the friends before I let them hang out anywhere. Single/Gay/Straight/Whatever.
Homosexual does not equal bad / dangerous to me - and of all the people I met / worked with / befriended over the years - gay folk are really no different than straight folk.

I would see it just like any other situation - if said gay couple was trying to indoctrinate my child (which gays don't do, BTW), I'd treat it the same as if some other couple tried to impose their opinions on my child - whether it be political, religious, sexuality or drug views.
I'm pretty much right there with you. Just curious to hear what some others think.
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As for schools promoting homosexuality, they are doing it in California and other states are following along. I heard about a book they called "two kings" which is being read to kindergarders. They have other books that are recomended reading which teaches kids that being gay is ok. Who do you think is pushing the bullying thing in schools? It is gay rights groups wanting to protect the gays from being bullied but not others, like the kid that is fat or the red headed kid. You wont hear that from the left wing media so you need to find it on talk radio or conservative news outlets.
I mean, being gay IS ok.

I understand that you are a religious wack job, but you are also a moron.
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Your first statement is arrogant and incorrect. This nation was founded under the idea of religious freedom (including the choice of no religion). You will not find anything that mentions Jesus Christ in any of the originating documents and I don't think you will find anything that mentions God. The founding fathers refered to "Natures Law" when refering to a higher power when penning the originating documents. Also, proof of the Bible being used as a textbook in early classrooms or it didn't happen. Note: pulling "facts" from a uber Christian bullshit site doesn't coun't.
I repeat, read a book called "one nation under god". It is filled with quotes from the founding fathers and you will find many, many references to God in them. I haven't read the book in quite a while so I don't remember if there is reference to Jesus. But God, yes. I'll have to dig it out.

Chad,
I would want to meet the parents and I guess I would be cautious. I would not even be beyond bringing your concerns up to the couple. After all, it's your son, who cares if you offend them?

I have a neice who is gay. She has a daughter from a previous marriage. I can't really say I have observed anything unusaual. Other than her girlfriend knows more sports stats than most guys I know.
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I can't think of a worse argument than the "adam/eve adam/steve" one.
I mean. So stupid.

WAIT!

It fucking rhymes! Now I get it! And I totally agree now.

Idiots.
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I would want to meet the parents and I guess I would be cautious. I would not even be beyond bringing your concerns up to the couple. After all, it's your son, who cares if you offend them?
I have no problem offending people

The kids mom is very nice, has a good job, dresses professional, drives a newer car, etc.

I just saw her "partner" for the first time yesterday.

Just surprised my ex said to keep my son from their house
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My son did go to a lesbian's house for daycare, because she took good care of him. Granted, he was only 6 months old when we went to a different daycare, but that was just because she took a job at a private school. He would still be going to a lesbians house every day if she were available.
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I mean, being gay IS ok.

I understand that you are a religious wack job, but you are also a moron.
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I can't think of a worse argument than the "adam/eve adam/steve" one.
I mean. So stupid.

WAIT!

It fucking rhymes! Now I get it! And I totally agree now.

Idiots.
You can only bring name calling to this debate?
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Who said its not OK to be Gay and who grants this individual that authority?

Why are all the die hard religious folk so quick to cast judgements? Doesn't the God that tells you homosexuality is wrong, the same one that tells you to "judge not?"

While I agree its not the business the the school to teach about gay sexuality, its not the business to teach any type of sexuality. Thats the parents job/responsibility.
According to Christians it is God who says it is wrong to have same sex attractions.
Is having a different opinion judging? If so why do you judge me for having a different opinion.

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Because it's your job to judge others based on his "words"?

Did you forget about the whole "He who has no sin, blah blah blah, glass house, blah blah, small rocks" thing?
It's not judging. You must be having feelings of conviction and guilt and the only way you can feel ok with yourself is to blame the Christians for your sin.

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So its religious persecution then?

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." If Steve being with Steve makes both Steves happy, and the Steves want what they have called something so they can share in the same legal benefits Steve and Jane have because Steve and Jane are "married" in the eyes of the law, who grants you the authority to deny them their God given right? God may not agree with the Steves, but according to our founders, God did grant them this right and that right is protected.

What we need is a clear line of those who simply disagree with homosexuality, and those who don't care about homosexuality but do not want the union of two homosexuals called marriage. Personally I do not care what its called as long as a homosexual couple is afforded the same rights and protections as a straight married couple. It is their right.
Nobody is persecuting anybody. If having a different opinion is persecution then you need to see what happens to gay people in the muslim world.

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My issue with gay instructional videos or whatever they are is one of roles.

It's the role of the parents - if and how they so choose - to teach kids about sexuality - even if some school administrator or social worker disagrees.

It is not the role of government to do so.
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I repeat, read a book called "one nation under god". It is filled with quotes from the founding fathers and you will find many, many references to God in them. I haven't read the book in quite a while so I don't remember if there is reference to Jesus. But God, yes. I'll have to dig it out.

Chad,
I would want to meet the parents and I guess I would be cautious. I would not even be beyond bringing your concerns up to the couple. After all, it's your son, who cares if you offend them?

I have a neice who is gay. She has a daughter from a previous marriage. I can't really say I have observed anything unusaual. Other than her girlfriend knows more sports stats than most guys I know.
I guess you missed my post....

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The God mentioned is not necessarily the Christian God.

The Founding Fathers were Deists, and openly mocked religion. They were not Christian, at all.
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You can only bring name calling to this debate?
Pretty much.

Because I have no idea why you feel others are not entitled to basic rights and privileges.

You know what....at one point mixed race marriage was taboo. That seems to have worked out OK.

I interpret marriage as an expression of love between two people. That is not dependent upon those two people having different naughty parts. If two dudes love and enjoy each other, have at it man. Rock out with your cock out.
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