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Old May 14th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #61
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I'm not really interested in any recommendations you have. Your credibility went straight down the shitter based on your idiotic post above implying that schools will begin pushing gay propaganda. Schools don't teach about how great it is to have a mom and a dad so why the hell would they flip a switch and begin teaching about how great it is to have two dads? Do you really think that would ever happen?
As for schools promoting homosexuality, they are doing it in California and other states are following along. I heard about a book they called "two kings" which is being read to kindergarders. They have other books that are recomended reading which teaches kids that being gay is ok. Who do you think is pushing the bullying thing in schools? It is gay rights groups wanting to protect the gays from being bullied but not others, like the kid that is fat or the red headed kid. You wont hear that from the left wing media so you need to find it on talk radio or conservative news outlets.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #62
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I agree, but it seems that we can't ever get to this discussion because we get stuck on the religious issue.
Precisely. Don't call it "marriage" and it takes away all of the religious no-nos that go along with it. I know close-minded people will still protest, but calling it a union rather than marriage takes all the wind out of Christianity's sails of Righteousness.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #63
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If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, or God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once.

Marriage is a legal term above anything else. Like others have said, a man and a woman can get married without any religious influence whatsoever and will have the same legal benefits as a couple who was married by a church. A religious group will ALWAYS have the right to recognize whatever they chose. I'm pretty sure gay people aren't protesting the Catholic church to let them in. (LOL!) The issue at hand is a civil one and by that definition, has nothing to do with religion. People tend to get way too caught up in the semantics of the term marriage.
Wrong.

Laws adopted the term "Marriage" as it was the common term. There are many that don't believe folks should be married outside a church - as Christians take Marriage *literally*.

You're looking at it exactly opposite.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #64
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Ok, but what about those of us who aren't Christians and/or do not interpret Christianity the same way that you do?
Well, he will tell you that the Bible says your are wrong because you do not interpret it the way he does.
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Oh, no, I'm a Hypocrite. I just understand that that is the reason I need Jesus and I'm willing to admit it and try and work on it. That is something that irks me about the modern church.

As far as starting another thread, I think we've been down that road before but if you have any questions, I'd be glad to start a new thread.
No need to start a new thread. Like you, I am very comfortable with my religious choices.
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is this thread based off of the biden comment from the other day?
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Old May 14th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #68
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is this thread based off of the biden comment from the other day?
no, it's more probably based of oblahblah's fake support of gay marriage.

funny how he comes out supporting it (After biden's gaff) but then backs off and states it should be a State's rights issue.

yet he's more than happy to say to the states "fuck you" with regard to immigration checks, government health care and a whole host of other matters.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #69
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Ok, but what about those of us who aren't Christians and/or do not interpret Christianity the same way that you do?

Given the choice I would prefer that the secular world be secular, and leave people to privately practice whatever beliefs they want without oversight or intrusion by the rest of us, so long as those beliefs don't harm unwilling participants.
Are you insinuating that not all Christians think that Christ is the only way into heaven? I can understand the universalism/Unitarian thought but if you call your self a Christian you should believe in Christ as God. What he says goes. "I am the way, the truth, and the life, No man comes to the father except through me". If you don't think he is the only way then you really don't believe what he is saying.

I'm just Curious. Not trying to butt into your conversation just wanted to clarify. It would just seem that someone who follows Christ would also believe what he said about eternity. If they only believed one or two things about what he said.....what makes just those one or two things true and the others not?

If you're talking about things like Baptism or Other sacraments, then yeah, total interpretation. But there are certain things that I would think would be mandatory to label your self a Christian.
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Are you insinuating that not all Christians think that Christ is the only way into heaven? I can understand the universalism/Unitarian thought but if you call your self a Christian you should believe in Christ as God. What he says goes. "I am the way, the truth, and the life, No man comes to the father except through me". If you don't think he is the only way then you really don't believe what he is saying.

I'm just Curious. Not trying to butt into your conversation just wanted to clarify. It would just seem that someone who follows Christ would also believe what he said about eternity. If they only believed one or two things about what he said.....what makes just those one or two things true and the others not?

If you're talking about things like Baptism or Other sacraments, then yeah, total interpretation. But there are certain things that I would think would be mandatory to label your self a Christian.
But Christ, God, and the Holy Ghost are all the same God, just in different forms. So by that logic, if one believes in God but not Jesus, they will get into heaven because they believe in Jesus Christ by proxy, or does God have to have his Jesus costume on for it to count?
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But Christ, God, and the Holy Ghost are all the same God, just in different forms. So by that logic, if one believes in God but not Jesus, they will get into heaven because they believe in Jesus Christ by proxy, or does God have to have his Jesus costume on for it to count?
Yes. God has to have his Jesus costume on for it to count. With that costume came all the erges and struggles that you and I have though. Because he was able to live his life with out sin he made the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sin. The reason for animal Sacrifices for the Jewish tradition was to atone for sins. The only problem was that every time you sinned you had to atone for it. Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for the atonement of our sins. He took the place of those animals and, for that matter, us when he died on the cross.

The only way to heaven is through that Sacrifice. Jesus. So when he said 'I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me". He meant it. You could think of it as God undoing what Adam and Eve did in the garden sort of. Only we still live in sin because it's our nature but Christ is our way out. The only way out.

Now I could get into "what about the jews". But I won't unless you want me to.
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I think I am gay..... I like a little girl on girl action......hahaha,,,,,,,,,, just figured I would throw that out......
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Yes. God has to have his Jesus costume on for it to count. With that costume came all the erges and struggles that you and I have though. Because he was able to live his life with out sin he made the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sin. The reason for animal Sacrifices for the Jewish tradition was to atone for sins. The only problem was that every time you sinned you had to atone for it. Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for the atonement of our sins. He took the place of those animals and, for that matter, us when he died on the cross.

The only way to heaven is through that Sacrifice. Jesus. So when he said 'I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me". He meant it. You could think of it as God undoing what Adam and Eve did in the garden sort of. Only we still live in sin because it's our nature but Christ is our way out. The only way out.

Now I could get into "what about the jews". But I won't unless you want me to.

I don't buy any of it.

So let's see, this is discussion 461 about our differing views on religion. Let's get the score. You: Still haven't changed belief system. Me: Still haven't changed belief system. Number of people swayed one way or the other on this board in the last 5 years: 0. Total result: Same old shit.

No point in derailing this thread any further, see you at the next debate.
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Sounds like you took the Atheist Montra Hook line and Sinker.


Keep drinking the kool-aid in the wine glass and Christ crackers.....
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Keep drinking the kool-aid in the wine glass and Christ crackers.....
Show me proof either way on gods existence. And Lack of proof doesn't count.
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Show me proof either way on gods existence. And Lack of proof doesn't count.
Impossible either way. A "god" can be anything you believe in, just like an imaginary friend. You can't disprove or prove it. But if you can't prove something due to lack of evidence, it really doesn't exist does it?

Now if you want to argue the BS behind Christian beliefs, then I'm all for that.
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Impossible either way. A "god" can be anything you believe in, just like an imaginary friend. You can't disprove or prove it. But if you can't prove something due to lack of evidence, it really doesn't exist does it?
God and his son, Jesus have historical documents that tell accounts of them both - of course, open to interpretation and one's particular level of faith. This is more evidence (not debating the validity) than most other "make-believe" people.

Folks who don't have faith and do not follow in Christ's path really have the right to say God doesn't exist in the same vein as saying believers don't have the right to say God DOES exist.

Basing your decision of something that doesn't exist on a lack of evidence is short sighted: Just because something cannot be explained to you in a way you understand does not mean it is not real.
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God and his son, Jesus have historical documents that tell accounts of them both - of course, open to interpretation and one's particular level of faith. This is more evidence (not debating the validity) than most other "make-believe" people.

Folks who don't have faith and do not follow in Christ's path really have the right to say God doesn't exist in the same vein as saying believers don't have the right to say God DOES exist.

Basing your decision of something that doesn't exist on a lack of evidence is short sighted: Just because something cannot be explained to you in a way you understand does not mean it is not real.
I believe Jesus existed as a person in history, but not as the son of god.

There are far more arguments against the existence of god then there are for it, but arguing about it is ridiculously pointless.
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There are far more arguments against the existence of god then there are for it, but arguing about it is ridiculously pointless.
Exactly: To you.

People who have prayers answered or when they believe what is a miracle happens - that is proof of God - to those people.

Who are we to pee in their happy water, and what gives us the basis to make such a judgement?
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Exactly: To you.

People who have prayers answered or when they believe what is a miracle happens - that is proof of God - to those people.

Who are we to pee in their happy water, and what gives us the basis to make such a judgement?
People can believe whatever they want, doesn't mean it's fact. Hell, there could be a god for all I know. I guess I'm truly not an atheist, but an apatheist.
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