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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:53 PM   #21
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so is your problem with homosexuality, or homosexuals making their relationship a legal union?
Probably just the homosexuality, because obviously the 50% divorce rate of male-female marriages isn't of any concern to him as far as ruining the sanctity of marriage.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #22
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It does not effect me one way or the other, I live my life the way I want....why you ask...because I get one shot at it, no do overs....Do I beileve there is a god, maybe.... I have to ask hows is me giving money to the church make me a better person? Will god move me up the list if I give enuff money or move me down....I have been to church seems like every week for the past month for funnerals, and even at the funnerals they talk about money, I thought money was the root of all eveil. I guess what someone else wants to do with there life is totally up to them, as long is does not effect me. WE have bigger issues to deal with....
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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:58 PM   #23
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"Marriage" is a term used by the church to describe the union of a man, woman and God.

If people were smart enough, they would term the "marriage" of two same-sex partners something else to stop all the bitching. A civil union, partnership - whatever. It's sorta like using a religious term for something that is forbidden in religion, by God.

Name it something else, get legally bound to your gay partner and let the church continue their "thing" while "you" two start your own.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #24
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"Marriage" is a term used by the church to describe the union of a man, woman and God.

If people were smart enough, they would term the "marriage" of two same-sex partners something else to stop all the bitching. A civil union, partnership - whatever. It's sorta like using a religious term for something that is forbidden in religion, by God.

Name it something else, get legally bound to your gay partner and let the church continue their "thing" while "you" two start your own.
I agree.

Then part 2 would be to ask the question “why does the government treat 2 people who are married differently than any other 2 people.” The answer to question would then be the basis for rewriting the various laws regarding married couples.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #25
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Money is the key that the church uses to give back to the community the word of god and his wisdom
Giving to the church is a way of giving back to god who has given you the air we breath and the car or truck we drive
He also can take that away!
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #26
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Probably just the homosexuality, because obviously the 50% divorce rate of male-female marriages isn't of any concern to him as far as ruining the sanctity of marriage.
exactly, maybe the homosexual community can teach the rest of us a thing or two about commitment to a relationship.

Oh, and I suppose I should clarify that I am indeed a divorce statistic. Something I don't particularly care for.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #27
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Money is the key that the church uses to give back to the community the word of god and his wisdom
Giving to the church is a way of giving back to god who has given you the air we breath and the car or truck we drive
He also can take that away!
Yea, I always enjoy assholes coming by to preach their word of a flying spaghetti monster.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and it's ok to be proud of it. Just don't whip it out to wave it around, and don't shove it down my throat.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #28
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you're confusing laws and governement with your personal religious beliefs.

At one point I thought gay marriage was pretty stupid, but anymore, I don't even care. I just want to see less fat people, less people on welfare, less laziness, entitlement, etc. I'd like to see people give a damn about thinking about sustainable forms of economic growth and improvement, etc.

If two homosexuals would like to get married so they can make a commitment to each other than in a sense I am all for it.

Personally I think in a round about way it's a good thing for the level of commitment they are showing to their relationship, making it harder (more so financially then anything else) to get divorced.

Divorce sucks ass, it's not good for this country, it's not good for those involved, it's not good for the kids involved, and it soaks up a ton of government resources through courts, friend of the court, child support enforcement etc.

so if we can place more value on relationships and commitment in this country I am not so sure I am against it. Gay people will adopt children, just like straight people should be married, so should they. Sure, thats perfect world shit, but the point remains.

Do I agree with the homosexual lifestyle? No
Do I want to see them get married? No
Do I care if they do? No, I sure don't.

Let them have it and let's focus on more important things.
Exactly my opinion. I think that gays should be able to get married and suffer as much as the rest of us. That does not mean that God's Holy Defense System will let them into Heaven if the US allows them to legally be married under our country's laws. And a lot of christian people that use the defense that "Marriage is for a man and a woman" confuse marriage with matrimony. "Marriage" is a legal term, "Matrimony" is a religious term. When you celebrate Matrimony in a church you just so happen to legally get married as well. LEGALLY there is nothing in our constitution or any federal law that would prevent two individuals, gay or straight, to get married. America is supposed to be a "free" country, so you should be free to do whatever you want with your life.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #29
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Hhahaha your funny the mister detroit dude to bad you dont kno the truth
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:31 PM   #30
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Hhahaha your funny the mister detroit dude to bad you dont kno the truth
Know the truth about what? That religion has existed for the sole purpose of explaining things that science couldn't at the time and controlling people?

You took it hook line and sinker.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #31
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"Marriage" is a term used by the church to describe the union of a man, woman and God.

If people were smart enough, they would term the "marriage" of two same-sex partners something else to stop all the bitching. A civil union, partnership - whatever. It's sorta like using a religious term for something that is forbidden in religion, by God.

Name it something else, get legally bound to your gay partner and let the church continue their "thing" while "you" two start your own.
X2... This hits the nail on the head. I think that if homosexuals what to be legally joined, go for it, but you are not married. That is a "christian" term. I think the real question that is being asked, should homosexual partners be entitled to the same insurance, survivor, tax benefits as married people.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #32
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X2... This hits the nail on the head. I think that if homosexuals what to be legally joined, go for it, but you are not married. That is a "christian" term. I think the real question that is being asked, should homosexual partners be entitled to the same insurance, survivor, tax benefits as married people.
But you can get married as a man and woman without any religion being involved whatsoever, so it's not 100% a religious term, and definitely not just a christian term. All societies, religions, etc. all have some form of marriage.
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Know the truth about what? That religion has existed for the sole purpose of explaining things that science couldn't at the time and controlling people?

You took it hook line and sinker.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #34
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But you can get married as a man and woman without any religion being involved whatsoever, so it's not 100% a religious term, and definitely not just a christian term. All societies, religions, etc. all have some form of marriage.
I would dare say most religions, societies ect historically say that homosexuality is wrong.

If homosexuals want to get legally committed to each other, I'm totally fine with that. Just don't call it marriage. Our country was founded, and based on christian beliefs. That makes it the default religion in this country, imo.

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"Marriage" is a term used by the church to describe the union of a man, woman and God.

If people were smart enough, they would term the "marriage" of two same-sex partners something else to stop all the bitching. A civil union, partnership - whatever. It's sorta like using a religious term for something that is forbidden in religion, by God.

Name it something else, get legally bound to your gay partner and let the church continue their "thing" while "you" two start your own.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #35
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I think the real question that is being asked, should homosexual partners be entitled to the same insurance, survivor, tax benefits as married people.
I agree, but it seems that we can't ever get to this discussion because we get stuck on the religious issue.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #36
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I think the real question that is being asked, should homosexual partners be entitled to the same insurance, survivor, tax benefits as married people.
why shouldn't they be?

I honestly don't really care about this at all, it will NOT affect my life.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #37
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Our country was founded, and based on christian beliefs. That makes it the default religion in this country, imo.
You're right, but what I don't understand is why gay marriage is a political issue. The government should've have any say with regards to who can/cannot get "insert whatever commitment term here" that you want.

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I agree, but it seems that we can't ever get to this discussion because we get stuck on the religious issue.
See my comment above. I believe they should and from a political stand-point those rights should be constitutionally protected like they are for the rest of us...
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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #38
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I don't understand what the big deal is with gays wanting to get married. People keep claiming on and on about how gays have to be allowed to get married or they don't enjoy the same "rights" that hetero people do when they marry. But exactly what "rights" are they being deprived of by not being permitted to marry? Just what are the "rights" that they cannot have with a civil union that they will immediately have once they are allowed to marry? Exactly what "rights" does a piece of paper give them?

Myself, I believe that same-sex marriage advocates are using the word "rights" when what they actually mean is "benefits". I cannot think of one "right" they are being denied by not being married, but I'm sure there are lots of benefits they can take advantage of once they are married.

So what "rights' are they being denied?

One related thought: Usually people from the Left tend to like to diminish the importance of the concept of marriage. Also, the vast majority of gay people tend to lean toward the Left. So it seems really funny how the Left feels marriage is no big deal anymore for heteros, but it's a big deal for gays to be able to do it.

Rights = Benefits.
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I would dare say most religions, societies ect historically say that homosexuality is wrong.

If homosexuals want to get legally committed to each other, I'm totally fine with that. Just don't call it marriage. Our country was founded, and based on christian beliefs. That makes it the default religion in this country, imo.
If the U.S. was founded on the Christian religion, the Constitution would clearly say so--but it does not. Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, or God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once.

Marriage is a legal term above anything else. Like others have said, a man and a woman can get married without any religious influence whatsoever and will have the same legal benefits as a couple who was married by a church. A religious group will ALWAYS have the right to recognize whatever they chose. I'm pretty sure gay people aren't protesting the Catholic church to let them in. (LOL!) The issue at hand is a civil one and by that definition, has nothing to do with religion. People tend to get way too caught up in the semantics of the term marriage.
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Marriage is a legal term above anything else. Like others have said, a man and a woman can get married without any religious influence whatsoever and will have the same legal benefits as a couple who was married by a church. A religious group will ALWAYS have the right to recognize whatever they chose. I'm pretty sure gay people aren't protesting the Catholic church to let them in. (LOL!) The issue at hand is a civil one and by that definition, has nothing to do with religion. People tend to get way too caught up in the semantics of the term marriage.
This.

I almost don't even think government should recognized marriage, because who cares what two people decide to do, but I understand the need for those certain legal rights and obligations that come along with marriage which would otherwise would cause for some messy situations.
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