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Old May 10th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #21
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Once they’re found guilty I have no problem throwing them into prison general population and them getting sodomized with a ham bone while bring forced to look at pictures of fat ugly naked women and listening to screaming satanic heavy metal.

But we’d be hypocrites if we don’t give them a fair trial first.
X2. With out it (justice) being Just it would be revenge. I may be a minority, but I don't want the Government seeking revenge. I want them to seek justice. ONCE they are found guilty, I have no problem with them being punished.

I also have find it funny that some people in this thread often throw the "treat others how you would want to be treated" idea around except for in this thread. But.....at least one of them has said they have no problem being a Hypocrite...so.....

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I also have find it funny that some people in this thread often throw the "treat others how you would want to be treated" idea around except for in this thread. But.....at least one of them has said they have no problem being a Hypocrite...so.....

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You should treat others how you want to be treated. However when a terrorist attacks you that goes out the window.

You treat others how you want to be treated in a civil day to day fashion.

this is an entirely different case, and not hypocritical. These people attacked innocent people, they don't deserve to be treated nicely, they are ruthless scheming killers
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You should treat others how you want to be treated. However when a terrorist attacks you that goes out the window.

You treat others how you want to be treated in a civil day to day fashion.

this is an entirely different case, and not hypocritical. These people attacked innocent people, they don't deserve to be treated nicely, they are ruthless scheming killers
Well, I also read once that the same guy (Jesus) that said "Treat others the way you want to be treated " also said "Love your enemies as your self".

So should we treat muggers, murders, thieves and rapists with the same regard? They attack innocent people.

What they did was unforgivable and Heinous but That doesn't earn an exception to our legal system. Once you give way for exceptions to be made on a very strong (and warranted) emotion you open up a very dangerous box for our government to have way to much control based on nothing but emotion or hear say. Trials are there to ensure a law has actually been broken and to decide the punishment dictated by said laws. If we didn't follow that structure, we might as well just start killing ever guy that pisses us off Because there would be no reason for the law.

I hope, and am highly confident, that our justice system will work and these people will be punished.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #24
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You should treat others how you want to be treated. However when a terrorist attacks you that goes out the window.

You treat others how you want to be treated in a civil day to day fashion.

this is an entirely different case, and not hypocritical. These people attacked innocent people, they don't deserve to be treated nicely, they are ruthless scheming killers
They are accused of attacking innocent people. Once that are convicted of being " ruthless scheming killers" then go ahead and have your way with them. But until then they should be treated fairly, just as I would hope (but not necessarily expect) that an American citizen would be treated in their country.
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They are accused of attacking innocent people. Once that are convicted of being " ruthless scheming killers" then go ahead and have your way with them. But until then they should be treated fairly, just as I would hope (but not necessarily expect) that an American citizen would be treated in their country.
I agree with you, so I withdraw the comment about removing their eyelids. I would like to know what we should do when they don't cooperate in the court, or "special" considerations are requested because of their fawked up beliefs.

It is a court of U.S. law, not Muslim law, not sharia(not capitalized on purpose) law - so there has to be a logical measure of compliance, or how will we ever try these assholes?

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They are accused of attacking innocent people. Once that are convicted of being " ruthless scheming killers" then go ahead and have your way with them. But until then they should be treated fairly, just as I would hope (but not necessarily expect) that an American citizen would be treated in their country.
yes, they are accused of it, and what happens to an american when he is accused of something like this on foreign soil?

Oh, wait, americans didn't hijack an airplane and fly it into the most populated building/city in islamic holy land did they?

Nobody around the world pussy foots around and treats our citizens fairly in situations like this, why the hell should we return the favor to a few worthless terrorists?
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Well, I also read once that the same guy (Jesus) that said "Treat others the way you want to be treated " also said "Love your enemies as your self".

So should we treat muggers, murders, thieves and rapists with the same regard? They attack innocent people.

What they did was unforgivable and Heinous but That doesn't earn an exception to our legal system. Once you give way for exceptions to be made on a very strong (and warranted) emotion you open up a very dangerous box for our government to have way to much control based on nothing but emotion or hear say. Trials are there to ensure a law has actually been broken and to decide the punishment dictated by said laws. If we didn't follow that structure, we might as well just start killing ever guy that pisses us off Because there would be no reason for the law.

I hope, and am highly confident, that our justice system will work and these people will be punished.
well, there is a little difference then between you and I. I treat other people the way I want to be treated. But unlike you and jesus, my enemies do not get any respect from me. They get treated the way they have treated me.

In this case they have schemed and plotted to kill my fellow country men (innocent people at that), so I have no respect for them, they are not citizens of this country, so i do not care about their rights. They are the enemy, and their fellow man is continuing to plot against our country, your family could be next. How do you feel when that happens?
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yes, they are accused of it, and what happens to an american when he is accused of something like this on foreign soil?

Oh, wait, americans didn't hijack an airplane and fly it into the most populated building/city in islamic holy land did they?

Nobody around the world pussy foots around and treats our citizens fairly in situations like this, why the hell should we return the favor to a few worthless terrorists?
We can hold ourselves to a higher standard, or we can stoop to their level. I choose the former.
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We can hold ourselves to a higher standard, or we can stoop to their level. I choose the former.
we can send a message, or we can act like pussies
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I vote pussies as it seems that what people are anyways...I want American people to get a fair trial, I don't care about non-American getting a fair trial
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i'd prefer we don't act like pussies. these guys attacked our country and innocent people, fuck em and their desire to have people conform to them for the trial
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Yes, and the message I prefer to send is that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That we donít deny due process just because someone is not a citizen or is accused of a particularly horrible crime.
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I agree with you, so I withdraw the comment about removing their eyelids. I would like to know what we should do when they don't cooperate in the court, or "special" considerations are requested because of their fawked up beliefs.

It is a court of U.S. law, not Muslim law, not sharia(not capitalized on purpose) law - so there has to be a logical measure of compliance, or how will we ever try these assholes?

Request for special considerations should be accepted or denied in line with the standard set for that court. I have never heard of the defendant being able to dictate how other in the courtroom dress, so that should be denied. If they are being disruptive that should be dealt with however disruptive defendants are typically dealt with. There are thousands of trials a day in this country, all have standard rules of procedures and behavior, this one should be no different.
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I suppose I'm fine with a trial as long as these guys don't get some sort of special treatment out of fear of disrespecting our fearless leader's peeps.

But I think it should be set up where right out in front of the court house they set up the gallows and as soon as they are given the guilty verdict they march them right outside and hang them on the spot. No appeals. No sitting on death row for 20 years. No pussy ass lethal injections.
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Moreover on what Honcho mentioned...If you've been following anything in recent events, the military has been killing american citizens overseas who have been identified as fellows of these dirt asses.
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well, there is a little difference then between you and I. I treat other people the way I want to be treated. But unlike you and jesus, my enemies do not get any respect from me. They get treated the way they have treated me.
But you're not ok if your enemies treat you in the same way you have treated them? Just clarifying.

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In this case they have schemed and plotted to kill my fellow country men (innocent people at that), so I have no respect for them, they are not citizens of this country, so i do not care about their rights. They are the enemy, and their fellow man is continuing to plot against our country, your family could be next. How do you feel when that happens?
I would be very upset, grief stricken, and probably not function for a while. I would , however, find solace that they would be taken care of in a way that is just; Just as I would want to be treated if I were to do the same in another country, and even at the judgement throne.

Jesus talks about us being judged the way we judge others. I do not want to be judged in the way that you think it should go down. I know my standing with that judge and I'd rather get a trial then just have him punish me with out one.

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Yes, and the message I prefer to send is that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That we don’t deny due process just because someone is not a citizen or is accused of a particularly horrible crime.
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these shitbags should have been tried immediately after they were caught. why the hell does it take years for a trial? hell if i go out and kill someone i would get a trial in 6 months or less. I'm a firm believer in capital punishment for heinous crimes against society. as George Carlin once suggested as an idea for capital punishment these guys should be loaded into a cannon and fired into a brick wall.
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these shitbags should have been tried immediately after they were caught. why the hell does it take years for a trial? hell if i go out and kill someone i would get a trial in 6 months or less. I'm a firm believer in capital punishment for heinous crimes against society. as George Carlin once suggested as an idea for capital punishment these guys should be loaded into a cannon and fired into a brick wall.
Actually, I believe a more suitable punishment would be extensive plastic surgery , hormones and a complete change of gender. Once complete, they should be lodged in a correctional facility spending their days at the inmates' (penile) mercy.

And it should be broadcast.

So all can see that if you're convicted of the crime of terrorism in the U.S. - you won't be martyred and you won't be in any shape to enjoy your 72 virgins when you die - because they'll all be computer nerds like Schweeb.
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But you're not ok if your enemies treat you in the same way you have treated them? Just clarifying.



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How do you think our enemies have ALREADY treated our people? I am returning the favor, not starting the trend

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these shitbags should have been tried immediately after they were caught. why the hell does it take years for a trial? hell if i go out and kill someone i would get a trial in 6 months or less. I'm a firm believer in capital punishment for heinous crimes against society. as George Carlin once suggested as an idea for capital punishment these guys should be loaded into a cannon and fired into a brick wall.
I agree, except....it takes time to make sure that we have all of the details to make sure that we are able to get a guilty verdict.

Innocent until proven guilty....so in this case take the time to make CERTAIN they are guilty.
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