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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #1
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IMO the whole 1% VS 99% and "the rich need to pay their fair share" is the biggest bunch of BS. For many reasons. One being that if every millionaire or "rich person" in the U.S. was taxed at 100%, it wouldn't bring in enough tax revenue to even make a dent in the National debt. Contrary to what the Left will tell you, over and over and over again, the problem isn't how much or how little anyone is paying, it's how much the Fed is spending, plain and simple.

Also, who cares what the percentages anyone pays actually are? If some rich person was only paying 15% (which they are not, more like about 35%), if they made $10M, they still paid $1.5M in taxes. That's a HELLUVA lot more than a working stiff who, even if they were paying 35% (they're not, more like about 15-25%) on $40K, they would only be paying $14K.
http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...2-Tax-Year.htm

Not only that, but why does anyone really care how much a millionaire pays in taxes? Exactly how does what they pay affect the "little guy" anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong, but my life and everybody else's life does not change no matter how much they pay. If they pay 15% or 35% now, but their rate gets jacked up to 100%, it's not going to affect any of us one bit. So other than feeling good because the "rich" are finally getting what they deserve, what does it matter how much they pay?

And finally, exactly who is it, among any of us, that gets to determine exactly what everyone's "fair share" actually is? What qualifies anyone to determine what is fair for you, me or anyone to be paying?
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #2
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Answer to your final question; Enough to support Obama supporters.
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Yes. I'm sick of hearing it as well. I've put a couple people in their place about it in the last few weeks, and they had nothing else to say after I gave them the facts.

Richest 10% in the nation pays nearly 70% of the total taxes collected, us bottom 50% pays a whopping 5%. Its also a proven fact that as they gave tax breaks to the rich, the government had actually collected more. Less wealthy would go through the trouble of trying to hide their money from being taxed, and more of it would be. (Last parts just my guess)
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #4
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actually I heard on Dave Ramsey the other day more then 25 percent of the population paid ZERO federal income taxes due to tax credits yet they had a big refund.
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I believe that their should be a spread sheet associated with each vote for services, similar to a bond millage, that you sign into when you go vote.

Do you believe additonal welfare benefits should be afforded to the public, if yes your portion of the fee will be X and you fill be expected to pay immeadiatly.

If no, proceed to next ballot question.

The problem with people voting who have never had a job or payed for any thing in their life is that they want more for free all the time, if our society continues to let the dependants become the majority, and vote them selves additonal benefits, direct or indirectly we are doomed to failure.

All major societies since the begining of time failed under the weight of the burden they created on them selves.

We are on our way there at high speed.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #6
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Obama will use this a platform to get votes for this election. He is pitting the poor against the rich, blacks against whites and illegal immigrants allowed to vote.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #7
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Yes, lets just keep using what our ancestors sacrificed to build, and sent the bill for upkeep to our descendants.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 10:27 PM   #8
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China is on the phone. They want their money back.
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"Pay their fair share" actually means "pay my share...and yours".
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I believe that their should be a spread sheet associated with each vote for services, similar to a bond millage, that you sign into when you go vote.

Do you believe additonal welfare benefits should be afforded to the public, if yes your portion of the fee will be X and you fill be expected to pay immeadiatly.

If no, proceed to next ballot question.

The problem with people voting who have never had a job or payed for any thing in their life is that they want more for free all the time, if our society continues to let the dependants become the majority, and vote them selves additonal benefits, direct or indirectly we are doomed to failure.

All major societies since the begining of time failed under the weight of the burden they created on them selves.

We are on our way there at high speed.
I agree with this concept but like everything else fair and just in this country it will never happen.

I'd love to be able to opt out on a PERSONAL level on every one of these various new welfare programs. Then let them see how far the bleeding hearts are willing to carry society.

I also believe that if you aren't paying into the system you shouldn't get a fucking vote. Make voting day coincide with tax day and if the magical formula adds up the $10 you made this year and turns it into a $2000 return, sorry you don't get a vote this year.

This country is so fucked up.

The problem is the individual has zero power, the masses do. And for quite some time that mass has been growing into nothing but a bunch of lazy, worthless shit looking for a hand out because it's easier than actually working for it.
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He is pitting the poor against the rich, blacks against whites.
Your second statement is redundant.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 06:49 AM   #12
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I believe that their should be a spread sheet associated with each vote for services, similar to a bond millage, that you sign into when you go vote.

Do you believe additonal welfare benefits should be afforded to the public, if yes your portion of the fee will be X and you fill be expected to pay immeadiatly.

If no, proceed to next ballot question.

The problem with people voting who have never had a job or payed for any thing in their life is that they want more for free all the time, if our society continues to let the dependants become the majority, and vote them selves additonal benefits, direct or indirectly we are doomed to failure.

All major societies since the begining of time failed under the weight of the burden they created on them selves.

We are on our way there at high speed.
We certainly need to put more emphasis on education

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China is on the phone. They want their money back.
To late China has already been invited to buy into the US banking system

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/3-big-chine...185200086.html

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Your second statement is redudant.
What there are no poor white people? and rich black people?

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I agree with this concept but like everything else fair and just in this country it will never happen.

I'd love to be able to opt out on a PERSONAL level on every one of these various new welfare programs. Then let them see how far the bleeding hearts are willing to carry society.

I also believe that if you aren't paying into the system you shouldn't get a fucking vote. Make voting day coincide with tax day and if the magical formula adds up the $10 you made this year and turns it into a $2000 return, sorry you don't get a vote this year.

This country is so fucked up.

The problem is the individual has zero power, the masses do. And for quite some time that mass has been growing into nothing but a bunch of lazy, worthless shit looking for a hand out because it's easier than actually working for it.
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I agree with this concept but like everything else fair and just in this country it will never happen.

I'd love to be able to opt out on a PERSONAL level on every one of these various new welfare programs. Then let them see how far the bleeding hearts are willing to carry society.

I also believe that if you aren't paying into the system you shouldn't get a fucking vote. Make voting day coincide with tax day and if the magical formula adds up the $10 you made this year and turns it into a $2000 return, sorry you don't get a vote this year.

This country is so fucked up.

The problem is the individual has zero power, the masses do. And for quite some time that mass has been growing into nothing but a bunch of lazy, worthless shit looking for a hand out because it's easier than actually working for it.
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Yep, we should all be a bunch of selfish bastards and think nothing but our own immediate personal needs. Fuck everyone else.
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Yep, we should all be a bunch of selfish bastards and think nothing but our own immediate personal needs. Fuck everyone else.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #18
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Yep, we should all be a bunch of selfish bastards and think nothing but our own immediate personal needs. Fuck everyone else.

selfish, maybe but not on purpose.......................I would just like to have the choice of "who" I give my money too.

I know, I know, I'm silly that way.
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I agree with this concept but like everything else fair and just in this country it will never happen.

I'd love to be able to opt out on a PERSONAL level on every one of these various new welfare programs. Then let them see how far the bleeding hearts are willing to carry society.

I also believe that if you aren't paying into the system you shouldn't get a fucking vote. Make voting day coincide with tax day and if the magical formula adds up the $10 you made this year and turns it into a $2000 return, sorry you don't get a vote this year.

This country is so fucked up.

The problem is the individual has zero power, the masses do. And for quite some time that mass has been growing into nothing but a bunch of lazy, worthless shit looking for a hand out because it's easier than actually working for it.


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Yep, we should all be a bunch of selfish bastards and think nothing but our own immediate personal needs. Fuck everyone else.
Not helping someone in need and is truly helpless is one thing, giving a handout to a lazy mf'er that is perfectly capable (mentally, physically, etc) of earning that shit on their own is another....
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