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Old May 3rd, 2012, 06:03 PM   #1
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Obama says forward but so do the marxists and communists

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 08:53 PM   #2
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Forward toward the new world order, one world government, the war of Gog and Maygog, the rise of the antichrist, and the second coming,

Be happy, we are getting close.
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Forward toward the new world order, one world government, the war of Gog and Maygog, the rise of the antichrist, and the second coming,

Be happy, we are getting close.
Be sad, We're running out of time.
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It's not forward or backwards,we are headed down.Obama is an idiot,but the american people that voted for him are the true idiots.
I feel that he did black people a serious injustice by being the first black president,and being a fn joke.I think he turned a whole bunch of people from this era,who were not predjiduce,into predjiduce people.
I wish he would have dominated washington like black people dominate profesional sports,then we have a president to be proud of,instead of another lieing politition,who happends to be black.
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Forward toward the new world order, one world government, the war of Gog and Maygog, the rise of the antichrist, and the second coming,

Be happy, we are getting close.
If Obama getsa another 4 years you will see our economy tank which will cause the rest of the world economy to do the same. Then you will see a currency used by everybody, whether it be the euro or something else. Then the need for one power to rule everybody(the UN).
Everything is almost in place, Israel becoming a nation in 1948 and Jews from around the world going back to Jererselem. It is happening just like the bible said it would, prophecy.
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LOL at Obama haters. I hope Romney wins so we can watch him change the world.
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LOL at Obama haters. I hope Romney wins so we can watch him change the world.
Im curious what makes you a obama supporter? Are you on wellfare,food stamps,federally funded housing? Im curious what obama has done to deserve your support? What has he done to help this country? School me please,so I dont continue to think he is the single biggest piece of shit to hold office.
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Im curious what makes you a obama supporter? Are you on wellfare,food stamps,federally funded housing? Im curious what obama has done to deserve your support? What has he done to help this country? School me please,so I dont continue to think he is the single biggest piece of shit to hold office.
My point is that idiots believe he is out to ruin this country, and that voting in some other turd politician will fix everything. No I'm not on welfare or foodstamps, or any government assistance. I do get a lot of entertainment from people like you bitching about everything that is wrong with this country and it all Obamas fault.
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My point is that idiots believe he is out to ruin this country, and that voting in some other turd politician will fix everything. No I'm not on welfare or foodstamps, or any government assistance. I do get a lot of entertainment from people like you bitching about everything that is wrong with this country and it all Obamas fault.
But..But...But....Who can we blame?
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Nobody, this country is full of people like bdd whatever his name is. They all want to sit around and point fingers and blame someone for the downfall of our country. Someday americans might quit pointing fingers and get something done........someday. :fingerscrossed:
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Nobody, this country is full of people like bdd whatever his name is. They all want to sit around and point fingers and blame someone for the downfall of our country. Someday americans might quit pointing fingers and get something done........someday. :fingerscrossed:
As with all great things, it starts with leadership. Obama has none, you say the american people need to stop blaming and get something done, how about we start at the top. America's biggest finger pointer is our leader, how the hell has that worked out so far??

If this was a company (it would be bankrupt BTW) the CEO (Obama) would be gone and new one would be in place, which is what needs to happen. Is Romney the answer, maybe not, but he is different and right now different is at least an attempt to improve vs. more of the the same from Obama.
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As with all great things, it starts with leadership. Obama has none, you say the american people need to stop blaming and get something done, how about we start at the top. America's biggest finger pointer is our leader, how the hell has that worked out so far??

If this was a company (it would be bankrupt BTW) the CEO (Obama) would be gone and new one would be in place, which is what needs to happen. Is Romney the answer, maybe not, but he is different and right now different is at least an attempt to improve vs. more of the the same from Obama.
Using the example of a company is actually completely backwards. At least Theoretically. Our government is supposed to be run by the people. A CEO's Job is to mandate what the employees are going to do and how the company will run. In our government, the "employees" (AKA, us) should dictate what our "CEO" does. Also, if a company starts to go down, it's the Employees that start to get let go first. Not the CEO.

That's Theoretically though. This also could be the reason our politicians don't make it work. They think they are the CEO's of our country when they are not.
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Using the example of a company is actually completely backwards. At least Theoretically. Our government is supposed to be run by the people. A CEO's Job is to mandate what the employees are going to do and how the company will run. In our government, the "employees" (AKA, us) should dictate what our "CEO" does. Also, if a company starts to go down, it's the Employees that start to get let go first. Not the CEO.

That's Theoretically though. This also could be the reason our politicians don't make it work. They think they are the CEO's of our country when they are not.
I think the people would be the shareholders crying for blood.
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Using the example of a company is actually completely backwards. At least Theoretically. Our government is supposed to be run by the people. A CEO's Job is to mandate what the employees are going to do and how the company will run. In our government, the "employees" (AKA, us) should dictate what our "CEO" does. Also, if a company starts to go down, it's the Employees that start to get let go first. Not the CEO.

That's Theoretically though. This also could be the reason our politicians don't make it work. They think they are the CEO's of our country when they are not.
I think you need to clarify here.

A sole proprietor typically is a privaterly owned company where the owner or proprietor runs the business exactly how he or she sees fit.

A CEO typically reports to a board of directors. He isn't a dictator and doesn't get to just impose his will wherever he sees fit. Often when a large organization goes down the CEO is actually one of the people they may be on the chopping block unless the board of directors sees it fit to make widespread cutbacks, layoffs, restructuring etc.
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I think you need to clarify here.

A sole proprietor typically is a privaterly owned company where the owner or proprietor runs the business exactly how he or she sees fit.

A CEO typically reports to a board of directors. He isn't a dictator and doesn't get to just impose his will wherever he sees fit. Often when a large organization goes down the CEO is actually one of the people they may be on the chopping block unless the board of directors sees it fit to make widespread cutbacks, layoffs, restructuring etc.
True. In the Organization I work for, our CEO is responsible to the board but also is trusted to run the camp the way he sees fit as long as he stays with in the Boards parameters.

I still don't think a CEO to Employee parallels is Accurate to our government. If anything, as Ostelersomething said, it's more CEO to board (Or share holder) as a good parallel. In this instance though, that puts the responsibility on the board (the Citizens) to make the proper choice for the CEO. I've witnessed what happens to a Organization that has a board that doesn't know what they are doing. You can hire any amount of CEO's but it wont' help if the board is still making poor choices.
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And the united states citizens trust obama to run the country as long as it is within the boards parameters (congress). It's much like an organization.

Ceo - President
Board - Congress
Employees/shareholders - voters

The only difference is that employees don't all necessarily have a say, but ten again not all citizens have a vote (under 18 can't vote, and some who could vote don't (or some who could be shareholders arent))
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And the united states citizens trust obama to run the country as long as it is within the boards parameters (congress). It's much like an organization.

Ceo - President
Board - Congress
Employees/shareholders - voters

The only difference is that employees don't all necessarily have a say, but ten again not all citizens have a vote (under 18 can't vote, and some who could vote don't (or some who could be shareholders arent))
That makes sense. Either way, I hope he doesn't get another term. I'm not exactly sure if the next guy will really be a whole let better though.
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That makes sense. Either way, I hope he doesn't get another term. I'm not exactly sure if the next guy will really be a whole let better though.
I really don't want Obama to get another term either...that being said I dont want Mitt to get a first term. All politics is a waste of time. None of the candidates can save our dumb asses. We are way too far in the hole and nothing will be ever be changed!! Politics is all about "let me tell you why I suck less than the other guy" and this is why I will be writing my name in come November, because I do not want either one to win.
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I really don't want Obama to get another term either...that being said I dont want Mitt to get a first term. All politics is a waste of time. None of the candidates can save our dumb asses. We are way too far in the hole and nothing will be ever be changed!! Politics is all about "let me tell you why I suck less than the other guy" and this is why I will be writing my name in come November, because I do not want either one to win.
bingo. It doesn't matter who wins the election, there's not going to be any substantial change
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